The Legacy Series Presents: Mighty Roc

How do you transform your life from being a prisoner to becoming a force of positive change? This is a question that our fascinating guest, Cardell Belfoure, can answer with precision. Known as Mighty Roc, Cardell's journey from the confines of prison to becoming an inspirational figure is nothing short of extraordinary. We explore his transformation to a renowned spoken word artist, motivational speaker, life coach, and founder of Words Are Power, LLC. We delve into the intricacies of his life, discussing his experiences in the criminal justice system and his relentless mission to shed light on the struggles faced by those still incarcerated.

Cardell shares his insightful journey of finding his purpose in the most unlikely of places and the substantial transformation that happened when he took charge of the Poetry Department. He also shares his wisdom on the power of words and how positive affirmations can shape our universe. From his experiences ion the inside to navigating through the culture of violence, Cardell’s stories shed light on how he uses his past to advocate for positive change. Listen as we delve into the culture of Cleveland, the necessity of unity, and his determined efforts to bring people together for a common purpose.

In our final discussion, we explore the essence of unity and mentorship. Cardell's experiences have profoundly shaped his respect for others, and his vision of life is an enlightening perspective to learn from. We discuss the importance of positive media, the compelling idea that struggling is harder than succeeding, and the power of words to motivate us to make positive changes in our lives. Join us as we navigate through the poetry community and the importance of unity in reaching our collective goals. Cardell’s journey from being locked down to leaving a legacy is a testament to the power of transformation, and a valuable listen for anyone looking to overcome obstacles and achieve their goals.

You can find more of Mighty Rock at these social media links:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cardell.belfoure.3
Instagram: @Mighty_Roc

Chapters

• 0:19 From Lockdown to Legacy
• 12:01 Finding Purpose and Overcoming Adversity
• 23:30 Making a Stand for Change
• 28:28 The Power of Unity and Mentorship
• 36:43 Struggles, Work, and Growth
• 49:17 From Lockdown to Legacy

Transcript

Remie Jones: 0:19

Welcome to Lockdown the Legacy stories from the inside out. I'm your host, remy Jones.

Debbie Jones: 0:25

And I'm co-host Debbie Jones. We're a husband and wife team here to bring you the real life stories, experiences and questions around the American criminal justice system. We do advise discretion with this podcast. I think we should put that out there first and foremost. We are going to talk about experiences that happen inside the prison system, outside of prison systems. We will use language that might be offensive, but we intend to keep it real, and if that's not for you, we totally understand, but please do what's best for your listening ears.

Remie Jones: 0:56

Oh, we're about to keep it real, son. Our goal of this podcast is to share the inside realities of the American prison and criminal justice system, from precharges all the way to post-release, from the voices of those who've experienced it firsthand, including me.

Debbie Jones: 1:12

That's right, let's get into it.

Remie Jones: 1:30

Hey everyone, your host, Remy Jones, here with another episode of the Lockdown of Legacy Summer Legacy series. Today I have a very talented friend of mine, Cardale Bell for AKA, the Mighty Rock, joining us here to talk about some of the stuff he's been doing to make a legacy since his release. This guy is packed full of passion, man inspiration and, no doubt, full of energy. I think you guys are going to love it. So here he is, man, Check it out.

Cardell Belfoure: 2:06

Yeah, I'm Mighty Roc.

Remie Jones: 2:07

Mighty Roc yeah.

Cardell Belfoure: 2:08

I'm a spoken word artist, motivational speaker, life coach. I sell apparel. I have my own company. Words are Power. You know what I mean. Llcs. They're open for business and I am my company. You know what I'm saying. I am my brand. So I stand on that door when it comes to poetry.

Cardell Belfoure: 2:35

I came out here after serving this last 14 years. I came home in 2020, but I did 28 and a half years behind that fence, from 1989 to 2020, I was only on the streets two and a half years. So I'm not and I don't and, like I always say, I don't wear that as a badge. You know what I'm saying, but I'm not ashamed of it neither, because it made me who I am today.

Cardell Belfoure: 3:01

So, like all in the joint, I just kept telling them, them brothers, like, when I get out, man, I'm going to be doing poetry, and who, who, who, who, who, who. And dudes like man, you hard bro, I ain't gonna lie, but I know in their mind they like what you. How are you going to do this? You know what I'm saying. So, like my thing is, I did that. I came out here, I just started doing shows, bro. I wasn't even going to mess with Facebook because like that wasn't out when I went down on some like dudes in the joint was getting that Like it's crazy. Hey, we scared of Facebook, but I had a business and I was and I had a clan. So that's in my plan though.

Remie Jones: 3:40

Yeah, and I'm still looking for a way to go. Facebook didn't do nothing but get dudes locked up for real. Yeah Well, but you know what.

Remie Jones: 3:49

I had that same experience, man telling guys what I was going to do. When I went home and I had wrote it all down and do's is I mean because of the respect that you had from your previous life. Dudes kind of nod along like yeah, okay, and they don't really speak too hard against it, but you write in their mind they be like what the fuck are you talking about, bro? Right?

Cardell Belfoure: 4:09

right, but they didn't. They didn't see this though, see. See, they don't know, like that whole perspective.

Remie Jones: 4:17

So you know I've been doing this podcast for a while now, for for a few months, and you know I've been trying to like basically bring awareness to the struggles that we had in there. You know, because I call myself bridging the, bridging the gap between what goes on behind the fence and society, because don't nobody know what goes on behind the fence, you know.

Cardell Belfoure: 4:40

But not for real.

Remie Jones: 4:41

I done talked about, like the. You know the scare tactics they use when they trying to get their convictions. You know what go on behind the fence. I got an episode coming up where I'm talking about medical and stuff because I still keep in contact with some dudes that's going through it right now. I just went and saw wise today. I went up there to Youngstown, to Trumbull, and had a visit with him. He told me to tell you what's up, man. He said he missed you?

Remie Jones: 5:04

Yeah, that's my guy, but basically I was like man. I'm getting to the point where I'm focusing too much on the inside and not enough on living up to the title of the podcast. The podcast is called lockdown to legacy and it's way too many cats that I keep in contact with that came home and got ahead of a legacy going. You know, you know. J Love put out three albums. You got the poetry going on.

Cardell Belfoure: 5:34

Hey man, I was just on the phone with a producer at a PBS idea strings, wcpa radio, right. When I came home he did a poetic reentry from the rooftop on me, right, and he did like five other reentry guys. That was poets also. So he called me up last summer talking about he wanted to do like training with me to take me around these different communities to communicate with these people, whatever. So he was telling me you know what, what, what the stipend would be.

Cardell Belfoure: 6:09

I was like no, I'm cool, I got to get this money off his roof. I'm a roof or I need to pay my bills. You know what I'm saying Like. So I was on the phone with him because this year he come back at me, right, and he do a do a business deal with my company, which is where is our power? And I'm when got him five stories, but like I'm having these people tell these stories in poetic form you know what I'm saying Like it's amazing stuff. So yeah, bro, so like I'm moving in the vision and I would love to just go in there and talk to them brothers about that. I can go in there anytime I want to, bro.

Remie Jones: 6:47

I'm going back into the prison.

Cardell Belfoure: 6:49

I'd have been in and out of grafting. Bro. I just left Rich Lee last week.

Remie Jones: 6:57

I might need your help man, because I've been trying to get back in grafting and anybody been talking back.

Cardell Belfoure: 7:01

I'd have been in the walls and the camp. I'd have been in the walls about three, three, four times. I've been in the camp one.

Remie Jones: 7:07

Okay, I done been back visiting cats, but I'm trying to just you know same thing I'm trying to get inside and get them do some hope.

Cardell Belfoure: 7:15

I'd have visited all of them without visiting and one of them. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I went in there, and when I go in there it ain't no, just I'm going to talk. No, I'm all in the crowd, bro. You know what I'm saying. You know garden hiring them.

Remie Jones: 7:31

they're my dog. Yeah, I can honestly say he wanted to do what I actually care.

Cardell Belfoure: 7:34

I know, garden hiring since 1993, bro, when I got the trouble, you know. But, man, I'm telling you, bro, like the movement out here, far as the guys in there, man, we got a movement building freedom Ohio. Bro, there's a big neck about us, bro, we, we, we, they make about us and those brothers come home. Far as collateral sanctions, which is where they're still holding barriers over our heads even though we're supposed to be having our full citizenship.

Remie Jones: 8:09

Oh yeah, I did an episode about that too, like this is crazy, you think you paid your whole debt.

Cardell Belfoure: 8:15

I'm saying when do I become a citizen again, though?

Remie Jones: 8:19

When do I get?

Cardell Belfoure: 8:19

my citizenship back.

Remie Jones: 8:21

Right now I'm I'm going to talk to my original lawyer on my case about, like, getting my gun rights and everything back. You know I can't get my my record expunged or sealed up, but I mean it's all types of stuff you can do to you know further.

Cardell Belfoure: 8:34

They let them, they let them. Boys get them, get them, help us, but you got. You can't have no bars and toast though.

Remie Jones: 8:40

Yeah.

Cardell Belfoure: 8:40

You know what I'm saying. So, like that's, that's, that's a loophole, no-transcript Plus man, what they doing for them pisses best. You get caught with a federal gun, bro. You gonna get. You gonna get, sam, bad bro, you know what I'm saying, but that put us at a catch 22. You know, armed the whole world, though they didn't tell me I can't have a gun Open carry. Yeah, you wear it. I'm seeing little dudes out here, women, everybody, in fact. You wear them guns. This gun city, this dire city, run its bitch and I can't have them. Good, brother, you know what I'm saying. I'm terrified to put one on my head. Yeah, cause if they catch me with it, bro, I know the sentence on that what the fuck gonna be I don't need a better.

Remie Jones: 9:33

It didn't. I didn't actually had to like cut off some people. When I came home, you know it was actually one of my homegirls. I was over there hanging out and everything. You know she was excited I was home and her dude came over. I'm like hey, what's up? I heard a lot of stuff about you Dude straight just cold shoulder me, and you know he had made some comments like he was jealous and I told her like man, I'm gonna fall back Cause, dude, he a turkey, I ain't gonna lie, he a turkey, but his family some hit us. So I'm like I can't afford to be caught slipping. You know I ain't about that action, though I mean I might be about that action, but I gotta go get ready for the action. He ready, you know.

Cardell Belfoure: 10:17

Man bro, you ain't about that action. You wanna know why? Because you would change me in the day, bro.

Remie Jones: 10:24

Oh yeah, but see with me, I'm like. You know, the only way I would have a resort to that is if somebody bought it to my front door. That's what I always say and I stand on, I'm just doing it. But the thing is these dudes ain't respecting that. You know. They catch me at the red light. What ain't no time to get ready is action. It's go time, you know.

Cardell Belfoure: 10:45

See, that's why you don't have them confiscated with them. Dudes who changed the MGA to your bro.

Remie Jones: 10:50

Exactly so I just I went ahead and just vacated the whole. You know, stop coming around, because I'm like everybody ain't gotta make the choice that I made. I can't expect everybody to, but I gotta make that choice and be like yo. I can't be putting myself in this situation, which is like I said.

Cardell Belfoure: 11:08

I wanna go like that man that's my name through the mud out here, bro, and I ain't did nothing but the best shit I could do in my life, bro. Swear to God, man, who's the best I ever did, far as mentally, far as my deeds, my actions, my attitude, this is the best I've ever been in my fucking life. And they don't say all the stupid shit about me, bro. No warrant, no, nothing to do, none of it. And I'm looking at like damn, and it's like it's the ones that's close to you to do the most to you.

Remie Jones: 11:38

Yeah, I mean, I ain't gonna lie, I moved whole different city just because of you down in Columbus.

Cardell Belfoure: 11:48

Yeah, I moved down to Columbus because man, I got a partner down there, man, he rockin' heavy down there too with that Black Lives Matter too.

Remie Jones: 11:57

Yeah, go ahead, plug him in, man, I'll get in touch with him. Yeah, yeah.

Cardell Belfoure: 12:01

I went on to start a poetry program with some guys in the walls at Grapple called Poetic Companions.

Remie Jones: 12:08

Yeah, yeah. Why is he just telling me about that?

Cardell Belfoure: 12:10

When I went over to the walls, it was like a blessing in disguise, bro, because I really fell into my purpose. I started putting shows together. I'm saying I'm in a hole talking about, when I get out, man, I'm gonna do a poetry show for the mental health block. So I'm going there, I'm gonna show out for them guys. So when I hit the compound, I'm looking for dudes to come do the show with me. I don't care if they do it, that's what I'm gonna do. Man, Mr Gardner made me head of the poetry department down there, bro. It wasn't even no such thing, bro. He was like man, just worry about that, man. You know what I'm saying. And we established in 2018, by the time I left that penitentiary, we had been in the newest paper twice. You see, that's what I'm saying. It was just an affirmation from the universe that this is what you're gonna do.

Remie Jones: 13:02

Right.

Cardell Belfoure: 13:03

You see what I'm saying.

Remie Jones: 13:04

So I had a conversation with one of my dudes in there and it was a. He was a young dude and he, you know you could see that he was like kind of looking for somebody to fall behind, you know, some like OG type figure, right. And so I had to tell him like man, you doing no, I ain't mad, cause we done all fell into it at some point in our lives. You done fell into this whole what's a real nigga and all that type stuff and these dudes. He was in the poetry and stuff, but he ain't wanna tell nobody cause he was like, oh, that's some soft shit and whatever. So I had to tell him like bro, first and foremost, you gotta be real to yourself. These dudes is too scared. They got talents beyond talent and they scared to tell people about it. Oh, and so when I started, doing it's shouting the gift.

Remie Jones: 13:51

Yeah, I mean, especially our world, where we come from, definition of a man is not ain't got nothing to do with poetry, expressing yourself, nothing you know. And so I tried to. When I started this mentorship stuff, I started trying to tell dudes like man, go after whatever you interested in. Because even the people that got your best interest in heart can only encourage you to go as far as they mind say it's possible to go, you know. So if we grew up in a hood and our minds say making it out of the hood is getting a job at the factory, all we gonna do is encourage you to get a job at the factory, you know. Or we might say, all right, brian made it out, so you can go play basketball, football, whatever you know. But I was like man and I'm so happy to hear you talk about like starting your own business.

Remie Jones: 14:41

Ain't nobody in that prison case manager? Nobody was like man. You can get out and start your own business. It costs a hundred dollars to apply and your EIN is free. Ain't nobody say, with all that hustling mentality that we got, if you were hustling, you were hustling. It don't matter what you selling. Ain't nobody be like yo, go out and sell them. Words man Spray it positive.

Cardell Belfoure: 15:03

Words are power man.

Remie Jones: 15:05

And I'm glad to see so many dudes that have started their own business that's selling themselves, selling their hardships, their experiences, and flipped it into something positive, because ain't nothing ever expired art more than hardship.

Cardell Belfoure: 15:22

You know, man, I'm telling you, bro, I don't want to be nothing like that, I just want to be me, bro, and I'm saying, like my whole thing be. I'll be tripping on dudes because they looking at me and they see the light, right, but they thinking the light is the money. I ain't even got the bag yet, bro. I'm just maintaining what I got. I ain't got the bag yet, but it's so close, bro, I could taste it. Bro, it's so many, it's so many irons in the fire, bro, it's so many irons in the fire, one of them's gonna get hot. But I'm also concentrated on what I do, which is standing on the truth, bro. You know what I'm saying. I'm standing on the truth and I don't care what I doubt. This way, like I know, I'm walking through the valley of death. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I don't feel no evil.

Cardell Belfoure: 16:15

You know, what I'm saying, bro, like I don't like. Bro, like I said, like I feel, like I. I said I feel like Moses really cared for them on top, like I rose from the ashes like Phoenix. Bro, that's what I said in one of my pieces. I said, like I wrote some of the ashes, like Felix, it's like I met a morphsides myself. Well, I believed that I was going to do this.

Remie Jones: 16:40

But you know what, man? So I got a question, though, because this is something that I asked Stone about. I don't know if you remember Stone, I asked him about and I talked about myself as, like what point during I don't know if it was during your incarceration or whatever but at what point did you understand, like yo, I want to do something different, like I want to do something positive, because I remember in the joint like being skin-closed to gang riots and, you know, trying to get the pack in and all this other stuff, and at some point I was like yo, this shit is dumb, right, you know? Yeah, it's cool, you getting a little naughty, like with me.

Cardell Belfoure: 17:24

It was like that was my third bit, you know what I'm saying. And it was like damn man, I'm packing this, well, I'm fucking kidding, like man, like. And now I'm sitting down and I'm trying to evaluate it and then all the losses that bit, like I was, I was, I was trying to get my shit together from the beginning, but with my answer it actually could break this shit for show. You know what I'm saying, because I want to make sure I'm all right at all times. You know what I mean. So, like, like, like, if I got to get down and dirty, that's what I was doing. But in my way of down and getting dirty, I knew I had to change my mindset. Bro, I can't, I can't go out there with that same mindset.

Cardell Belfoure: 18:07

And then I started out with five years, but I did nine more after that, just for the parole board. You see what I'm saying. So, like, that was 14 years and I'm like, the losses that I lost in the in between, like, bro, that you could never get back, yeah, you know when, when, when, when you come out here and your mama going, bro, that is a little bit different. Yeah, you did so, like, like, like. For one, I made a vow to myself. Like that, for two, I, I, I spoke it into the universe. And for three, I made a promise to that lady that like, yeah, I'm gonna be that guy, that guy that you wanted me to be, I'm gonna be that guy.

Remie Jones: 18:52

That's interesting, man, because I talked about, like, how my change came about when I was in prison, like how I started taking steps towards it. And it's interesting because that change that I made started the same way. It started with a promise to somebody else, somebody I cared about, like, man, this is what I'm gonna be. And I actually, you know, I had no good examples close by, so I was like you know shit, I see in a movie on TV. I start writing it down like yo, man, I like how dude did this? You know, look this up. You know, try to do this when I get home. And I basically cultivated the person that I am today, off of watching movies and TV and making promises to people, like when I get home, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try this different, I'm gonna do this different, I'm gonna do this, do that. And when people were in my life anymore.

Remie Jones: 19:47

I was still oh yeah, books too, you know, I'd have read a lot too. So when I came home and it was like those people weren't in my life anymore, I had still spoke all this into existence, like through promises and everything, and I was like yo, this is still like a pretty good person to be man, like all these promises. I got to follow through with this. So now, instead of doing it for somebody else, I had to do it for myself by keeping those promises. So it's interesting that you know your change started with a promise to somebody else.

Cardell Belfoure: 20:20

Well, it was, it was, it was a promise, but that person was gone. You know what I'm saying. But it's still a promise, because I swear bro, like, like, I don't know people's connections Because they mother. Like, my mother was my everything, my teacher, she was everything, she the one brought anything into my life for us. Good, she did. You know what I mean. So if somebody say like, oh no, you're good dude, just that and the other, that's what my mama did to me, you know what I'm saying. She made you feel like that because for real I know I could be a piece of shit, but I know all I ever want to do is make my mama proud, you know what.

Cardell Belfoure: 20:56

I mean so, like when you, when you sit up in there and you and you lose something that that precious right, and you come out here and you find out how really cold the world really is though, bro, because you, you, you was there with unconditional love. You was there with your with really your first God Cause, like mama is God and baby language, bro, because their mother is, is they everything. You know what I mean.

Remie Jones: 21:29

That's dope.

Cardell Belfoure: 21:30

That's the. You know what I mean. So, like, I respect that, I respect that, and then your mother get you to understand. Whatever a higher power, whatever you want to call it, you know what I mean. Whatever you want to do At least that's how my mother, my mother, put that in me, like straight from the hospital, like it was it was not no doubt that that I was going to be a spiritual child by the fact she told me I was a prayed out child. So, like, bro man, I've been out here doing all kind of stuff, though, bro, like I don't even know, I don't be knowing where to start, because I just keep my feet moving.

Debbie Jones: 22:11

You hear me.

Cardell Belfoure: 22:12

I just, I just keep my feet moving, like if you don't stop, your feet can't grow more. You know what I'm saying?

Remie Jones: 22:19

That's crazy. I literally just said that on my last episode about no matter if you feel like it's a step forward or a step backwards, like keep stepping.

Cardell Belfoure: 22:28

Yeah, you know what I'm saying Be a stepper, you know?

Remie Jones: 22:32

Cause being like, especially for us bro, be a stepper for us bro, here to act right.

Cardell Belfoure: 22:37

These, these, these young people and people of a certain ideology, bro, they be like man ain't nothing to do, Ain't nothing to do up here, man Ain't nothing to do in things. And I'll be like what? And I'm trying to figure out what these y'all are looking to do. Bro, I'll be everywhere. You know what I'm saying. I'll be everywhere, bro, but when I'm there, I'm there for a purpose. It ain't just like I'm just going just aimlessly around. When you see me downtown and kicking in the club, I'm security. You know what I'm saying. But I get paid to kick it and I know how to talk to people. So, and you know how I learned security, Good brother, Watch the CEOs for 28 minutes.

Remie Jones: 23:18

Yeah, it's crazy what you what you learn when you actually sit back and start opening your eyes. Man.

Cardell Belfoure: 23:27

Cause I swear I never do no security.

Remie Jones: 23:30

Being in the streets, man, being in the hood.

Cardell Belfoure: 23:32

Being the man I am today, my approach to people was so different. I ain't, bro, I know you. You you had kind of drunk. I don't drink, so I'm not going to be out of my house with you. You know what I mean. So when you pull up on me, be like look, bro, you got an arm band. Nah, man, all right, you going to get one. Yeah, I'm going to get one, man. Okay, that's cool when he gets on a bag, guess what? All right, little brother, have a nice time, you know what.

Cardell Belfoure: 24:02

I'm saying I ain't, I ain't here to make your money. No, no, worse than what it is and no better. I'm just here to make sure you have an arm band going past this spot, right here. This is my spot, this is my security spot.

Remie Jones: 24:14

You know what I relate that to. I used to tell people like man going to from a high security level prison to a low security was like culture shock to me, because when I got around them, young dudes, that was like in and out of prison and out they ain't know like the importance of respect for real, like when I was in high security I don't care if me and you ain't like each other, me and you respected each other because she could get real ugly quick. So it teach you how to you know talk to people different. But you know also, like when I sound, when we in the streets man, we look at stuff totally closed off, like especially I know how I go up in Cleveland you beefing with dudes that live one street over. You know them them 112 fingers. We don't fuck with them, like what.

Cardell Belfoure: 25:09

I've been home, man and mine at the stove. Three people don't get knocked down. That's just at the stove, yeah.

Remie Jones: 25:19

So it's crazy, though, once you put all that down and open your mind.

Cardell Belfoure: 25:23

It's so bad, bro, that I was talking to the council woman, right, and I'm hoping this lady act like she got some sense because, like it's to the point right now, bro, I think I can get the people together, man and we can make a stand for who we want, where we want and what we want. You see, I'm saying that's how strong. We get enough right BFO down in Columbus. We got a chapter in Columbus too. You need to check BFO out Columbus, right?

Remie Jones: 25:54

I mean, if you got a like links, you know websites, facebook, whatever man like. Send them over, I'll publish.

Cardell Belfoure: 26:04

Columbus.

Remie Jones: 26:05

BFO Columbus.

Cardell Belfoure: 26:07

Oh, it's the great old face, it's gonna rock. It's gonna rock you there. They, they for us by us, bro, it ain't nothing but us up in there and we got some people help and we don't went down there on lobby does lobby and lobby with the big hats down in Columbus, yeah, man.

Remie Jones: 26:30

I'm proud man. I can't say no other way man, I'm proud cuz I know. I know from where we came. I don't know the specifics in the details, but I know, based off the respect you got, cuz you know I didn't, I didn't see him, you know moving around on the inside how much dudes respect you and I know what it take to get that kind of respect. So to see like how far we come and he, you doing all this, bro, that's beautiful man on the floor.

Cardell Belfoure: 26:58

But you lie, man. A brother came. He's like hey, man, this what I want to do. Just stop the violence up there. Man, I'm gonna bring 400 brothers together on the fourth of July for one hour. We don't call it a hour power. We don't stand out there for our way. We don't be against violence. You don't stand up. I said, man, I don't know why you told me that I know all these games I'm gonna call all day.

Remie Jones: 27:23

That's what it's like, cuz it's hard, man. It's hard when you on the outside and you trying to make a change.

Cardell Belfoure: 27:34

I know what he won't when he, when he, when he called out to me which I'm saying for real, he don't know what he doing. But check this out. I ain't never did those top the violence rally, but I know I can get them together. I didn't do it before. You're just saying not, not just stop to stop the violence by the fact we started some shit. I Think I got people together before and I got a whole. I got a whole plan behind me, man. You know I'm saying like and we moving in the city. You know I mean like, see, I Look at people minds and hearts, bro. You know, Sam, I don't never judge a book by the government, brother, never do, because the cover can trick you every time. Man, it could be a whole another book on this side. You just look at the cover, you know saying yeah it's um.

Remie Jones: 28:20

I love. I love being out here, man. It's hard sometimes, but I.

Cardell Belfoure: 28:27

Got the problem. Man, I think I'm too happy for these people.

Debbie Jones: 28:30

I.

Cardell Belfoure: 28:32

And when I say I'm living my best life, they take it money. But I always put a poster up to say if money is your guy, who was your devil? It ain't about the money with me, bro, it's about the position and it's about the power they bring. And I don't want to power. I want us all that power, bro. That's what BFO about.

Remie Jones: 28:54

Everybody win.

Cardell Belfoure: 28:57

I'm trying to tell you, bro, I'm gonna get with it, I'm gonna get with it.

Remie Jones: 29:01

But it's crazy. You say everybody win, everybody have power, and automatically Everybody think money, everybody, everybody only, and everybody gonna get a bag like no.

Cardell Belfoure: 29:09

Man, we don't. We don't get that too, because it's coming together. They got money.

Remie Jones: 29:14

I heard. I heard some Jewish, I heard some Jewish cats talking and it was like man. People got all this negative views about Jewish people. You know he's like, but when a Jewish person do money deals, everybody eat Because he gonna bring you in not to do one transaction. He's gonna be like all right, you can be my person for this. Yeah, you gonna be my person for that. So when somebody come do money deals with me, all right, well, this is my, this, my such-and-such person, this, my such-and-such person. Like, we all get in on this one deal and they go the same way for everybody. And I was like man, that's what we need, bro.

Cardell Belfoure: 29:52

We need to come together like that I'm trying to kill you, bro. This was I've been telling people this and I've been, I've been preaching it real strong lady. I said, man, we didn't try everything, but coming together as a people, I say we don't try getting farther apart. I said we don't, we don't try killing off each other. I Said we don't try going with other people. We don't try everything, bro, but coming together, we're coming together, bro, and it's so much, it's so much poison, it is so much poison in the food, bro, out here.

Cardell Belfoure: 30:33

And I ain't talking about literally like, like, like you, you got, you got these dudes this. They don't be playing these video games, bro. So long, bro, and shoot them up, bang, bang so long. And now the younger rappers that's done. Came into the game. They done, they done for implemented this shit into the music and into real life, bro, like this. That's where that word ops come from, from the video game. They wasn't talking about no odds, that's military talk, bro. You know I'm saying yeah. So like, like, like, like. That's the change, the whole culture. Like, like back in the days we do the time, like when went, went, went, when NWA came out, whole bunch of that crimping in Blinch, it just got spread the nation. You know I'm saying and, and, and, the New York Castle, saudi. Talk about man, they, they bangin on wax. Yeah, they was up there killing shit up here bro. Now, now you look at it, they everywhere bro. Just like with this shit, with this drill, shit is everywhere, bro. But it came through the music.

Remie Jones: 31:36

Yeah, well, they definitely haven't called the duty. Modern warfare is at the park, right. It's crazy. They and I know dudes this Half my age know about more guns than me.

Cardell Belfoure: 31:51

All right, that's the answer where to get them and listen to this man. This is crazy part about it. Man, all these cats run around with these pistols. Man, they get no money with Like, like, like from. For me, when I was in into the streets and shit like that, bro, I did it all, I Did it all, bro, but, but, but, but, but that, but that gunplay, shit boy. You only can do that for so long. But, and when they got you money, they got you. Trust me, game over with.

Remie Jones: 32:26

Especially when it comes to the fairs, fairs, don't miss man, and this was, this was the.

Cardell Belfoure: 32:29

This was the crazy part about this shit. Man, even the little dudes, this husband, if they, if they not, if they, just, you know, maintain it with a little blood bag or whatever, they still trying to sell a little crack, whatever. But whatever they doing, man, they can't maintain it. All they gotta do is go get a job. They gonna give no money.

Remie Jones: 32:50

Hey, you know that was one of the first Mentorship advice I ever gave. But I was in a joint. I had signed up to be a GD tutor to the 18. I mean to the 21 and under my little dude. He was from a hood and everything and everybody in there followed him and I tried to tell him, like man, if y'all study for this, I basically had to teach math in the form of drug deals, like I was like you know what's a AV? Like, was it QP? You know? I was in there and the teacher was mad. But I was like yo, we got to learn how we can learn it. But I had to tell him I was like man, if y'all do this and y'all get your DD and stuff, y'all study for I'm gonna teach Y'all about money like real money. And I was like, um, because if you do the math I'm gonna give you a generous More, more than you do.

Remie Jones: 33:41

I was like, let's say, you make two, three hundred thousand a year in the streets, but every two, three years you get locked up and do five. You might as well work for general, for minimum wage, because it all average out to you getting nothing. You making $18 a month for five years, you know. And so when I did the math out for them they was like damn, like that's real, like yeah, because I mean you gotta miss, say. You say you get 300,000. How much you save you and spend it on liquor, weed, girls, cars, whatever. You don't own nothing, you ain't put nothing away. If you did, somebody probably fucked you over because you told somebody about it, you know. So, yeah, and like it's hard to get somebody understand that like man, you, you'd be better off getting a job.

Cardell Belfoure: 34:38

Man. I'd be telling you, look dudes, man, they'd be like man. Oh gee, let me know it's one you like, man. I got three sources for you, little bro. You gonna hold them, you know me, because I don't, I can't understand, like little bros. I'm the bottom outside the stone actually, for some change, right, all these is not a quarter of miles from where we at. I Say, look what, all them cars, them people pushing out there with them quarters in there, won't you go push them cars back and get all the quarters? I Say some of them, leaving them in the parking lot with the quarters. Come in there. You gotta do is gonna plug it up, back up to the stack and get back with it. You gonna get change all day man, that's deep.

Cardell Belfoure: 35:23

Like what's wrong with y'all man? I'm giving you a free officer, bro, and you could. You could play your hand like this a y'all don't mind about to take these cars. I was a part of the other. Put them back they paid twice. You know I'm saying now you can do that every day, anytime you want to. They don't know what I'm gonna do to be from the car by a. You know.

Remie Jones: 35:49

You know. I realize, though, it's harder to convince people to do the right thing and the wrong thing, because I Ain't gonna lie, man, growing up I had a bunch of mentors that taught me how to do the wrong thing Everybody everybody I looked up to did the wrong thing so it was easy to follow that.

Remie Jones: 36:06

Once I got of age, you know. But now when I'm telling people like yo, you know, all I can do is say how I got it. So I teach by example. And then I teach by example of people around me. So I'll be like yo, rock up there doing poetry man, plug in with him. Or hey, I did this CDL thing. Man, I was truck driver. Plug in, go, I sold cars. Go do this. Hey, you be surprised, man, out of all the dudes that I talked to man, probably like three of them. And when it got they CDL out all the dudes. I'm talking about tens there, maybe 30 dudes but this is.

Cardell Belfoure: 36:40

You got to understand. Good brother man. People have got used to not winning, though, so they don't want, they don't even want to win. They just cool with being right where they at. They just want to play this. Let me spin it off, just like they don't even want better.

Remie Jones: 36:54

I had to tell my only man I was like. He was like man, that's too hard, I ain't trying to drive no truck. I was like nigga. What's harder than struggling? What's harder than trying? To have three jobs and find a girl who got it.

Cardell Belfoure: 37:12

Hey nigga, what's matter fact?

Remie Jones: 37:14

I'm gonna go even further. And ain't what's harder than struggling? What's harder than three generations of struggling? What's harder than watching your mama hold down three jobs and your cousin Going back for his third bid and you, sitting here, die to the law trying to find a girl that's gonna break you off some income tax like? What's harder than that?

Cardell Belfoure: 37:35

right.

Cardell Belfoure: 37:37

You know, Every time, every time I talk about coming together, the first word I'll somebody, ma be man, we ain't gonna never. And I'm not stopping right there. I say you see that I said, and that's why I Say words are power. And we keep saying that. I say I say that's crazy man. Can you convince that man? It was. It was a lady man in the store and this is my dude's mother, my dude past, but anyway, she's like, she's like. She's like they can just send me over there right now talking about the Ukraine, or to over there the Russian Putin. Like.

Cardell Belfoure: 38:17

I'll be watching the news, bro, because I hear everything in the streets. I hear it out here, like. So I don't want to just keep poison in my mind all day, every day, between the rap music in the news. Man, a nigga, be scared to go leave his damn sales man. That's what I call my room myself. Maybe I'll be scared to leave, I'll be scared to come out on the yard.

Cardell Belfoure: 38:37

I can't be listening all that stuff all day, you know me. So I try to find my time to peace. Well, I just be. Well, I can just be. I ain't gotta be worried about shit. What's on the news? None of that shit, because a lot of times I disturb people's spirits to the point fear creeps into them, bad thoughts creep into them. I'm saying you listen to this shit all day, and every day is something. Today I heard about the smoke in the air. My mother called me and said man, you got your mask on and I seen this shit like when I was on the roof early when the sun was trying to peak through. I'm like that ain't style, it's just everything.

Remie Jones: 39:14

Yeah, I thought it was fog. I started. I hit the road at 5 am to go up there and see why, and once the sun came up, I'm like yo, this ain't no fog. What's going on? What?

Cardell Belfoure: 39:27

Yeah, I was on the road at 5, something about 5 city.

Remie Jones: 39:33

You know what? Man speaking of getting up early, when I was in the joint, bro, I don't know I told you just watching movies, reading books, stuff like that man, I started doing stuff, just in my mind. It was still weird. Like I would wake up at 5 40 every day. I ain't care if I had nothing to do what. And now it's like I get up for work at 2, 30 am bro.

Cardell Belfoure: 40:00

Yeah, I've been getting up before.

Remie Jones: 40:02

I work from 3 30 to 3 30, 3 30 am to 3 30 pm and I'm like man. That same thing I just told you keep talking back in my mind like what's harder than struggling. I work 12 hour, shifts, four days a week, and I'm like this is easy, this is easier than anything I've ever did in the streets.

Cardell Belfoure: 40:24

That's when you hear foolish.

Remie Jones: 40:27

I done been in the streets and been awake for three days.

Cardell Belfoure: 40:32

In the joint bro, you was getting 18 dollars a month. If you was lucky, you was a quarter five or something. You know what I'm saying.

Remie Jones: 40:41

Yeah, working on OPIs or both.

Cardell Belfoure: 40:45

So you mean to tell me you ain't gonna work for 18, 50 an hour and knowing it's gonna go up? I don't understand that. Like, why wouldn't you? You getting paid every week and you learn it in trade, bro, and this shit only gonna go up as you getting the union. Bro, I bought my third roofing company. I ain't never been late, never missed a date and I'm the top of my class. But the reason I'm on my third roofing company is they run out of work and when they do, I'm the last and they're gonna total blow. So it's letting me off and I call straight to the union hey, man, I need some work.

Cardell Belfoure: 41:26

The motherfucker be like okay, we got the pack moving over here. I'm like all right, what I gotta do? I'm like call this guy, I'm gonna hit him first and let him know. You're gonna call All right, go to that company, Work there. They run out of work. Hey, okay, listen, shoot over here. You know what I'm saying. It's just that simple, bro. And I'm still like did he bop and doing what I was doing? You know what I mean. But ain't no failure, ain't no option, bro. Yeah, Failure ain't no option and fear it only in here, bro. You know what I'm saying. I didn't look down the bill of the strap before. You know what I mean. I'd have been on both sides of the gun, you know. That's why I respect that motherfucker.

Remie Jones: 42:09

When I was talking to Stone man, I had told him that I basically still operate on street principles. You know, I don't like all the people. I always gotta have had at my hustlers mentality. I gotta be the first one in and the last one out, you know. And I told him, like man, the first principle of being a street nigga everybody know it you gotta have I don't give a fuck mentality. So when I came home and I was trying to get it, of course somebody gonna tell you no, but I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna get it. And so I was like man, it's real hard, especially when people do finally take that step to get a job. It's like you don't wanna let it go. When really, I mean I in a heartbeat leave a job Soon as I feel like they ain't got my best interest in mine, I was like all right, let me start looking, because ain't nothing you could tell me that's gonna make me stay in a bad situation. I ain't gonna be one of them.

Remie Jones: 43:19

People that been like man. I've been working here 30 years and I hated it all 30, like hell. No, I'm like y'all. Worked here three years. I went over here, saw this opportunity. They offered me better, I'm gonna go there. And oh, they gave me a growth opportunity. So I grew, I took this class, I did this program, I became a manager, I moved over here, I did this Like that's the way it is.

Cardell Belfoure: 43:42

I'm being out jobs now, bro. Listen, man, I've been in my first job out. Right, it was for $300,. Right, it was just putting the haunting up. I'm not gonna do the arning, put it up and paint it. Right, man, I had my dude do it. I'll say what you want to do. He said 200, I told the lady 300,. You know what I mean Everybody happy. You know what I mean? Yeah, so, like, by me doing that, I'm like, damn, I just contracted a deal.

Cardell Belfoure: 44:12

But what was more crazy is when I'm sitting down there in a PBS Idea Stream, wcpn office with the head producer and their underling, which is the producer of this particular segment of WCPN radio, but I'm sitting there here having a business. We meet with these people downtown cleaning up under the chandelier, bro, that's where they all do that. You know what I'm saying? That big ass chandelier. I'm saying to myself man, just in 2020, I was walking out of the pedigree. I'm not having a clue about none of this shit. None of it, bro. That's why I be talking to the most.

Cardell Belfoure: 44:54

I say, man, you got the element to see, man, you man, you funny man, and I be sitting in the house minding my bed. It's my fault it rain. It be like, cardio, I'm like, yeah, this such and such at an art program and we got your numbers from so and so and we want you to do a piece of. We got a stipend for you for such and such, such and such, we gonna send it over to you. I'm like what? All right, it's for sure, man, I just be minding my business bro. It rain Facebook and light up all that. You know what I mean. Minding my business, bro. But that's when you live in, right, bro, right, things start happening for you. Just keep doing good, somebody gonna help you do good, bro, trust me. My mama told me that a long time ago.

Remie Jones: 45:47

That's what I'm trying to do now, man. Like I said, all these cats that's doing good stuff and then they ain't necessarily gotta be good in the community but I want dudes that come home from prison to see all these success stories. I want people out here in society that can offer some help to see all these dudes that's doing something that's positive. These dudes are here. They're here, man.

Cardell Belfoure: 46:09

People come home bro, they might they ain't came home. And you know what they look girl for, isn't it man, right, yeah, yeah, he done came home. He got this, he got that. What you gonna do? You been out here all this time.

Remie Jones: 46:25

I don't even worry about that man.

Cardell Belfoure: 46:26

It's making the A real for you, bro. You know what I'm saying. You got trouble with nothing at all. Just be a you, bro. You done trouble with nothing at all Just by being successful. Bro, say he work A day. Look at him. He all on Facebook. You got on in June. I know how they see me. I was talking to him Because I see him out there. Hey, buddy, I'll be like I'm here with my mom. You know what I'm saying. I'll see him out here. You know I'm doing my best. Like, bro, I'm working out like a mad Russian.

Cardell Belfoure: 47:00

I quit eating meat. I'm on my second year. No, no real meat, bro. Like, I'm just doing everything I said I was doing. What's crazy is everything is lining up. It's not like I'm looking at this chart Like, okay, I'm ready to start this year. It's like I'm lying there with the universe. Everything I said I'm going to do is it's been popping up and it's just popped up.

Cardell Belfoure: 47:19

When I stopped eating red meat, I went down to Arizona. Bro, never been on a plane in my life, never went nowhere on a plane. My, we didn't dream a lot of places. You know what I'm saying. But, man, I went on that plane, bro, went down there. I ate so much steak, bro, that I knew that was my affirmation that when I get back with the New Year kick in, I'm not not eating red meat, I'm just so, so, so, so on, bro. That's how I went. You know what I mean. Where is our power bro, trying to take us down on that? You know he's gonna tell us no defeat. It's up to me, man, I can't. I can't accept that.

Cardell Belfoure: 47:55

And you know what man?

Remie Jones: 47:57

I got a couple of poems I wrote back in in the day. Man, I might have to dust my little pen off and see if I still got it. Man, cause I be seeing your man, I be paper.

Cardell Belfoure: 48:08

And I'm like that. That's one of the most beautiful releases man Ever bro.

Remie Jones: 48:13

Well, you know, I come from a poor.

Cardell Belfoure: 48:14

my dad was a hell of a poor man, so like when I explained it, like I wrote myself out the pain. Like when I was going to join, that was my, that was my vent. You know what I'm saying. Like when my dudes went knocking right out here, I felt I felt like them niggas them niggas owed me more than what the fuck I was getting. I wrote about it. You know what I'm saying when, when, when, when, when, when, when. When I was in a relationship and I wanted to feel love and I don't feel like I was getting the love that I wanted, I wrote a poem about that.

Remie Jones: 48:51

There's so many ways I don't see dudes, you know not get what they want and respond negatively. You know anger, rage, destruction. You know you're going to make them give you what you feel like you do, and so-.

Cardell Belfoure: 49:08

My whole thing was this like I didn't want no niggas to take care of me because I was cool. Like, don't get it twisted. A few of my partners came through for me. You know what I'm saying. Like shit, I ain't saying to everybody to turn their back on the nigga, but at the same token I still had them thoughts, but I'd never bring it to them. You know what I'm saying Because, shit, I'm a man. I'm still on my own too, with or without you nigga. You know what I'm saying. Like shit, I had a brawler in my car for 12 years in that bitch. You know what I'm saying. I mean shit. I mean she know where I'm at and she took care of me. You know that she could, and I appreciate and love her to this very day for that. We're not together, no more, but I still appreciate and love her. She had to stick around with a nigga like me.

Remie Jones: 49:58

But you know that, just, I always felt like man just by making that change, because you know a lot of dudes, a lot of people, a lot of people I ain't even gonna say just in prison a lot of people in life say they gonna change. They make those those empty promises, they might do it for a couple months, a year, whatever, but for you to actually make that change, stick with it, come home and then spread it like even not being together, like that's a hell of a repayment, you know.

Cardell Belfoure: 50:31

Man, listen, bro, like, like, like. Like. My little bro, joe P, said he was like right now, man, all I'm doing is my time. Man, that's what I'm doing right now. I'm doing my time. You say when I get home again, I can pay my debt to society. You say I can't pay my debt to society sitting here and I receive that man, oh, that's powerful. I was like that's raw, bro, that's raw right there.

Remie Jones: 50:56

That's real powerful. That's a hell of an understanding too, because that's that's really how it is, like you can't do nothing from in that.

Cardell Belfoure: 51:04

Yeah, joe P doing good too, doing great Cool man.

Remie Jones: 51:10

I'm gonna have to get up with you and go to the hall and the guys man, when I be seeing dudes from the joint man, I just love to see them.

Cardell Belfoure: 51:16

See them in their purpose bro, doing what they said they was gonna do. Like they are doing what he said he was gonna do. Man Doesn't good too, man, I love to see a girl like that.

Remie Jones: 51:28

Yeah, I seen you had Maxie on there. Man on the on the poetry side.

Cardell Belfoure: 51:33

Oh, max, yeah, that was some years ago though.

Remie Jones: 51:37

Yeah, but I'm telling you, man, like that's what I'm talking about, seeing Max, seeing Vince, seeing Abbey, seeing Ken, like I'm seeing you know, j-love, seeing you seeing I'm like man dudes, is out here really giving back, not even by actually giving back by by living, better than showing Right by example, bro, because, like I said before, man, to have all that respect from all the stuff we did in our past lives, people watch and it's different than like watching it on TV, watching somebody from afar, when they got that respect for you and you do it they like. Oh, I might have, I might have a chance at switching it up.

Cardell Belfoure: 52:18

Man, that's that story. I tell them, man. I tell them. I say pro, I never used to believe in people when they was talking about it. They could do it anybody to do. I should always see people talking that shit right, and I don't trick myself and convince myself and really, I just met a movie star and myself.

Cardell Belfoure: 52:39

Bro, you got it. You got to change. Bro, you got to keep the change. Bro, you can't stay the same. My dude Right, nothing stays the same and if it stays the way it is, that means it's stagnated and what stagnates is dead. You got to keep moving, you got to keep evolving, bro.

Cardell Belfoure: 52:57

Like I talked to some people my age, bro, I was blessed enough to see 54 years back June 3rd, right, I had a poetry party in the park too. Man, most awesome the shit I ever did. The same community I grew up in. Everybody out there they they send me do my shit too, and I got poets pulling up and they giving me a birthday gift of one poem. That's all. I ask my family to give me one poem, bro, just stop to. Y'all can keep it pushing. Y'all ain't got to say, oh, y'all can chill, whatever y'all want to do.

Cardell Belfoure: 53:26

Bro. Man, the young guys, they showed me a lot of love, man, because, like, the poetry community is crazy. But it's like a bunch of weirdos, bro. But geniuses, though, like they, everybody different and you will see it doing. You be like I wonder what's up this guy when you hear what's come out his mouth, you be like whoa. That's why I don't love a judge. A book by the public, bro. Like you don't know what them people got inside them, bro, you're the bad. Or you don't know what a person got in there, man? That's why they eat people alone. Don't be judge people just by how they look.

Remie Jones: 54:03

You know, like I'm gonna take it back to what you said like we don't, we didn't try everything self are coming together and I mean, like I said, when you got that respect and somebody see you change and they be like what the hell? Like I got a chance. You know, if anybody done, done it, you can do it. But, like I said, the purpose of this podcast was to bridge the gap between behind the walls and society. So if all these from lockdown to legacy.

Cardell Belfoure: 54:36

Lockdown to legacy.

Remie Jones: 54:37

So to see all these dudes, it's cool to see that you doing your poetry. It's cool to see that I'm doing a podcast and mentoring. It's cool to see that somebody wrote a book, but collectively, like we was all in the same joint.

Cardell Belfoure: 54:53

It ain't gotta do. It's gonna be a whoa bro.

Remie Jones: 54:55

You know. So my point is like, if we all come together, it's cool to see that we each doing something. When we all come together, you start noticing like all these niggas was locked up and all these niggas is doing something positive and all of them is trying to change and spread it. Like now, as a group, it's like we get the bigger attention. You know, you, it's one thing to be like yo damn rock change man, if he could do it I could do it. But if you like rock did it, va did it, that's did it, ali did it. Man, I need to go tap in with these dudes, like you know you got it.

Cardell Belfoure: 55:32

You got it how that be a. You don't see what I'm talking about.

Remie Jones: 55:35

I just wrote it down. I don't hear nothing about it.

Cardell Belfoure: 55:38

Everybody in there, they, they, they and they purpose. But we all together, though, you know, I'm saying, and this is a problem, man, we don't register people to vote. And it's a man I'm trying to tell you. Man, I be going down my timeline talking about hey, I forgot all the process. I'm moving Brian trying to be worried about that. I posted one time and it'd be like I'll be like, but I'm okay, wait the post. It'd be like that should happen. I posted shit and then I won't see that shit no more because I'm posting some other shit. But that's just the page, that's what the brand I'm building. I'm just just doing. I'm living life, bro. You know I'm saying and then and then, and then you know, you gotta put the medicine in the food, man, so they want to see, they want to see some kicking in. All that we don't do all that. I'm human, I love, I love being around my people, enjoying, enjoying life, but still, we got to get to the, to the root of the problem you know what's?

Remie Jones: 56:40

what's funny, man, is that you doing a lot of the same stuff that we did before. The only difference is that your life has power and purpose. Now what? Because if you would go to the club before just to go to the club have a good time, or you can go to the club now and enjoy yourself and not have to worry about not bring people together for a purpose, then it's like if you doing the same shit, you could been doing this all along.

Cardell Belfoure: 57:12

Man, you can pay to kick it now but it's like I tell people man like, like I was talking on a conversation, right, and uh, this brother we were talking to he locked up. He was locked up with me, he got out and he went back. Anyway we talking. So I was asking about just pulling me out, about cancer. So he was like man, they don't try to buy that porn, whatever. So so, like he was like, but I got I got way more easy than that just then the other.

Cardell Belfoure: 57:44

So he got to talking about he said he said big bro, I gotta tell you something like what's that? He said I'm a superhero. I said what he said yeah, I'm a superhero. I say, bro, I thought I was the only one that felt like that. So he's like no, I know, I know, big bro, let me tell you man, let me tell you, I might let you tell you, man, but I'm a superhero too. So so he was like I'm gonna tell you what my power is.

Cardell Belfoure: 58:12

I said what's your power, good brother? He was like my power, I had a power to heal, but the only way I can use my power is if I use it to heal others, right, I said. I said, man, I'm a superhero too. I say, and my name, mighty Rock, stand for strong truth. That means I stand on the truth, bro.

Cardell Belfoure: 58:40

I say, and that what my superpower is, my superpower is the truth. Right, so I say, but but the only difference between a superhero and a villain is what he chooses to use his power flow. So it's another brother on the phone. So I tell you, let's say he is superhero too. I say, but people will look at him like a villain because his job is to protect the human and the truth. So he might have to be a villain to do that. I say, but he is superhero too. And for real good, brother, I done, I done took that and performed that conversation with people, brother, and they be like, hey, man, that poem about the superhero. But that was a real conversation, bro, and I ain't never wrote it down enough and I just remember the conversation.

Remie Jones: 59:37

You hear me that's dope I'm listen, listen that I'm gonna end the episode on that. No, right there, because that was dope. Okay, we can, we can still talk, but that right there, like cuz for real. I planned on my last question being like you summing up, like what is your legacy, what do you feel like your legacy is or what do you want it to be, but that right there is like that's dope man.

Cardell Belfoure: 1:00:02

That's the legacy I want to leave, that I was a superhero that I brought the truth man. Yeah, that's a show man. That's raw too, man well.

Remie Jones: 1:00:12

I'm gonna leave it at that man organic and raw.

Cardell Belfoure: 1:00:15

I appreciate it too, man, that we know where to find me at mighty underscore rock on Instagram.

Remie Jones: 1:00:21

Cardio bill for on Facebook man, I'm gonna plug your Facebook and your Instagram, man. When I published the episode, man cuz yeah, it's. I think this is interesting, man, cuz I used to really be in the poetry, real big man I kind of left it alone. You know, I was an artist, I used to draw, I should shoot tattoos and everything. And I'm all of it down, man, and I'm starting to see like I need to go. I need to go and reexamine, man, pick that up, man.

Remie Jones: 1:00:49

But thank you, thank you thank you very much, man for for green, like I asked you, and you was like right back man. I asked probably like ten dudes, you was the first one hit right back like yeah, man, let's do it. So I really appreciate that man.

Cardell Belfoure: 1:01:03

I stand on that, bro.

Remie Jones: 1:01:04

I don't just want you to win, I'll help you win it so, once again, everybody, that was the mighty rock man, my good friend, cardale Belford. I suggest, man, if y'all do that deep type love, poetry and everything, man, this dude got a lot of good things to say and he got a lot of people around him that also like to share. So check him out, man. Look him up on Facebook, cardale Belford, and on Instagram, you know wherever you can find him. I'm gonna plug some of his links in to the show notes also. Just make sure that y'all show some love, man. And thank you everybody for tuning in, as always. I appreciate it and I appreciate our loyal supporters, especially them, them die hard listeners every week. All right, what that? I'm gonna go ahead and wrap it up, man, peace.

Debbie Jones: 1:02:13

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