Wise's World: Navigating Healthcare Injustice within the American Prison System

Picture this. You're in the prime of your life, yet you find yourself locked behind bars, battling a serious health condition with a system that seems designed to fail you. This was the harsh reality for my friend Wise, a formidable spirit who not only survived a heart attack in prison but also bore witness to the systemic healthcare inadequacies within the American penitentiary system. Join us on a journey through Wise's experiences, as we expose the glaring gaps in prison healthcare and the tragic consequences it can have.

Are you ready to challenge your preconceptions about prison healthcare? Listen in as Wise shares his gritty experiences, from the heart attack he suffered at the tender age of 50, to the deteriorating health of his friend Ro, who tragically succumbed to cancer due to delayed medical intervention. We also discuss the critical importance of maintaining mental, physical, and spiritual health, drawing parallels with maintaining a car - regular check-ups and a balanced diet are essential. This episode is a call to action, a plea for change in the American criminal justice system. Consider this an invitation to join the conversation and help us make a difference.

Transcript

Remie: 0:19

Welcome to Lockdown to Legacy stories from the inside out. I'm your host, remy Jones.

DJ: 0:25

And I'm co-host Debbie Jones. We are a husband and wife team here to bring you the real life stories, experiences and questions around the American criminal justice system. We do advise discretion with this podcast. I think we should put that out there first and foremost. We are going to talk about experiences that happen inside the prison system. Outside of prison systems. We will use language that might be offensive, but we intend to keep it real, and if that's not for you, we totally understand, but please do what's best for your listening years.

Remie: 0:56

Oh, we're about to keep it real, son. Our goal of this podcast is to share the inside realities of the American prison and criminal justice system, from pre-charges all the way to post-release, from the voices of those who've experienced it firsthand, including me.

DJ: 1:12

That's right, let's get into it.

Remie: 1:30

Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Lockdown Legacy. Of course I'm your host, remy Jones. I mean, do we have to be so formal at this point? You guys still, you know my name right, my name is Remy. Today, I will be joined by one of my good friends, mr Wise. I've known this guy since about 2014. Super talented guy, especially when it comes to poetry, and he most definitely lives up to his moniker as a wise man. If you listen to the Mighty Rock episode and you recall Rock talking about the Poetic Companions Group that he co-founded, wise would be another of those co-founders that he referred to in that episode. So big shout out to Mighty Rock. Again, too Many thanks for him being a guest on the podcast. But today Wise is going to be sharing with us some of his first-hand experiences with dealing with the medical system behind bars, having found himself in a pretty scary situation, and the frustrations of getting that medical attention that was much needed and really not being taken seriously, you know. So, without further ado, here is Brother Wise.

Remie: 2:46

Hello what's up bro?

WIse: 2:49

What's good, what's good.

Remie: 2:51

Ain't that mad. You can hear me good.

WIse: 2:53

Yeah, I can hear you, I'm good.

Remie: 2:55

All right, all right, oh shit, what's up, man, how you been.

WIse: 2:59

I'm good man, taking it easy, slow, one day at a time. You know how it go.

Remie: 3:04

How you doing in there, man.

WIse: 3:07

Better now. You know better now, man. Before I wasn't doing too good after a couple of, after a month, after a minor not minor, but multiple heart attacks I had you know. So I'm just now bouncing back from that. It's almost been what? Two years now and I'm bouncing back over that, so, but other than that, god is good and I'm great.

Remie: 3:29

So you want to get straight to that, because I was just going to chop it for a minute. But if you want to get to the meat and potatoes, you know we can get to it.

WIse: 3:40

I mean, hey, it is what it is to the day, it's a good thing to get to it. But you know, luckily I don't have, I'm not one of those recipients to say that it ain't, and I'm blessed to have a beautiful wife that's still by my side through it all, man, because we need that too. You feel me. So when you talk about we talking about health here today, so when you talk about health, we talking about, you know not only physical, but we talking about mental and spiritual as well. You know.

Remie: 4:04

So when you want to get to, when you want to get to first, Well, first, I don't know if she can hear me or not, but I want to say thanks, t you know, because I appreciate the role you play in all this too, man, looking out for my guy. So if she can't hear me, I want you to pass that along to her. Okay, okay, and then you know.

WIse: 4:26

No problem, that was, that was my pleasure.

Remie: 4:29

Okay, okay, I mean, you could be a part of this if you want to. So if you want to chime in sometime, you know, just feel free.

WIse: 4:36

Okay. I'm here I'm moving.

Remie: 4:40

Okay, that's cool, that's cool. But so, first off, I like to start it out by having you introduce yourself. Whatever you like to go by, however you want to do, that is fine.

WIse: 4:54

Okay so my name is Hakeem, but everybody calls me father wise, or just wise for short. Okay, okay. So people often ask me how I get the word wise from Hakeem, but my name, my name, virtually means great warrior, wise man. So I just took the attribute wise from my own name and that's what everybody calls me.

Remie: 5:17

Oh, that's see, I didn't even know that, bro. I didn't know you for about a decade now. I didn't even know that man.

WIse: 5:24

Yeah, that's how that. That's how that that attribute originated. That's where it came from, okay.

Remie: 5:33

So, for everybody who don't know, I met wise on the inside, probably around you know, probably around 2014, maybe.

WIse: 5:43

Yeah, yep, you're right. You get it right on the head 14 years, 14. So 2014.

Remie: 5:48

Yep Actually met outside of anywhere that we would normally congregate. I was in there playing basketball. We met in the gym and as.

DJ: 5:58

I was going to play basketball.

Remie: 6:00

I was saying y'all was doing that poetry thing in a little side room and I had pop in Right, right and you know they had mics hooked up and everything. Dudes up there getting down. So I'm supposed to be going out and getting the water break and I just popped my head in like hey, what's going on in here?

WIse: 6:18

Shout out to the mighty rock in the rest of my 40 companion brothers.

Remie: 6:22

Yeah, yeah, we had rock on here, man.

WIse: 6:24

We definitely talk about later.

Remie: 6:27

So, yeah, that's you know, that's how we met and of course I had to go bring back to the basketball game. But on the way out of the game I ended up seeing you kicking knowledge with another dude on the sidewalk on my way back to the dorm. So I ended up just stopping in and popping in the conversation. Nosey is here, which is something you do not do in the joint.

DJ: 6:48

But it worked out, you know it worked out and shoot man.

Remie: 6:54

Here we go, you know, 10 years later, still rocking man. It's my guy, you know For sure. So on this episode, like I said, you know, it's a couple of things I could pick your brain about. Man, you definitely live up to the moniker. But one of the things I for sure wanted to talk about was something I thought was pretty important and that was healthcare on the inside. And, being that you had just gone through this a couple of years ago, I was like you know, I could talk about healthcare, but my experience with healthcare on the inside is, like you know, trying to get some insults from a basketball shoes and you know I'm sick. I'm sick and you know, by the time I get actually seen by medical, they like shit. Just go buy some stuff off of commissary. Because it looked like you feeling better. That's because it took me two weeks to get in this motherfucker Like yeah, but uh.

Remie: 7:46

So I figured you know with your experience and, being as profound as it was, I would let you share some light on what medical is like on the inside. You know, because that was a pretty big deal what you went through, you know.

WIse: 7:59

Yeah, it was and it's like. So, first of all, I'd like to say that for the men out there that are listening, you know it's like it's very imperative that we go to the checkups, to the doctor's appointments, all of the things that we don't want to do because we're too lazy to do it. We just don't give a you know what, or we just ignorant to the fact of what's really going on inside of us. You feel me. So it's very imperative that we get those checkups on a daily basis, man, because if not, you know it can end up like I did. You know you can easily end up like I did, and I was laying on a hospital bed, you know reaching up, you know, uh, uh, acting and praying for God not to take you right now. You know what I'm saying? Like because it was serious.

WIse: 8:40

But you know we all have these. We create these poor diets in prison because they say that they give us the right food to eat in prison, in which they don't, because everything that they give us is processed food, and processed food is not good for us either. So we take the alternative. If we're blessed enough to be able to go to commerce every you know how that go. And we get to the market and then we go and we buy all of these things and we make these breaks. But while we're making these breaks we're not paying attention to all of the things that are written like you know, the saturated fats, the high sodium, the MSG and all of those bad things that you know that we love so much. You feel me, but then eventually they tend to catch up with you over time. So when I had, you know after the fact of my heart attack.

Remie: 9:26

Hold on for a second. Let me stop you for a second. I'm sorry. You know we did an episode here about breaks prison food. You know cooking it up. But one thing we didn't touch on was what you just said. It was like nobody read the labels in there about that stuff. And you know like a lot of that stuff like one summer sausage is like four servings and it's already bad enough that one serving got like 500% of your daily value of sodium and all the phosphates and all the rest of the stuff in it. So you put a whole summer dog in there, you put some of this squeezed cheese high in sodium, you put some of these potato chips, you put some of these you know mayonnaise, whatever the hell else you put in it, you know. And by the time you put all that together and put it in one bowl, you got like 2000% of all your daily servings of everything and ain't none of it good, and then you must eat the whole bowl for one meal, you know.

WIse: 10:27

I'm serious. Actually you got, probably got triple the amount of everything. You know what I'm saying, because even with a squeeze cheese, you know you're talking about a sodium counter 540 milligrams. That's 23%. So that's just with a squirt and with every squirt you know what I'm saying. Like so you know it is like barbecue sauce 240 milligrams.

WIse: 10:51

You know little things like that. That we love, like I said, and enjoy so much. And then mayo was like over the top, you feel me? And then people would be surprised if they took the time to read the back of the Raymond soup packets. Not that everybody out there in the world eats that, but I'm saying, if you do, it's like some of those soups I think the low sodium soup packet is the chicken and then the beef is one of the highest, and those things alone, those ones, those one package, have like 750 grams of sodium. Like that's crazy.

WIse: 11:23

But we'll eat all of that. Put it all in one break and, like you say, for the most part we like to eat like, let's say hypothetically, a family out there in the world, like when the games come on, we like to fall back and eat on, like after seven or eight o'clock and we eat all of this food and then we lay down. Well, the problem with that is our metabolism slows down tremendously, if it doesn't stop at all, and then you know over time, over over a period of time and it takes time, but over a period of time you know all of that. All of that stuff stacks up in your arteries. It's like firing bacon in a pan and then you wake up and you come in the next morning If you haven't watched that pan at night and you see the white cake up in the pan from the grease, from the bacon.

WIse: 12:10

All of that stuff close your arteries like that and that's what happens over a period of time. That's what happened to me, along with other things like stress factors or whatever. And along came the heart attack. And right now I'm only 51. I'll be 52 next month. Thank God for that.

Remie: 12:28

So all this happened. You was 49?

WIse: 12:32

When I was 49, yep, 49 years old.

Remie: 12:35

Damn. So when did it happen?

WIse: 12:38

All of a sudden, when did it happen.

Remie: 12:39

Was you out and about, Was you like in the bed? You know when did you feel this happen coming on?

WIse: 12:47

Um, you were 50. Well, 50. Okay, my wife said I was 50. See, that's another thing memory loss, that comes with it too.

Remie: 12:56

Hey, listen on my very last episode, man, I talked about my memory loss. On my very last episode. I talked about being incarcerated so long that my memory kind of just fucked up. So you ain't alone with that, bro.

WIse: 13:11

Right, so so she. Well, my wife said 50. So it's 50. But let me tell you so it's different, because it's different stages.

WIse: 13:20

Sometimes you can have the heart has a mind. If it's on for real, you can just have a massive heart attack, or it can eat, or it can ease its way up to one. You have warning signs, but we don't pay attention to the warning signs, like myself, for instance, when my enzymes were at its high, when they were releasing from my heart, the enzymes were extremely high. I felt this. So people say like, oh, so like heartburn? Yes, it does feel like heartburn, but it also feels like pins and needles sticking you in your heart, you know, and it's like you're not paying attention because we think it's gas, because why? Again, like I said earlier, we're too ignorant, we don't know what's really going on, so we don't go to the doctor to find out, because it happens and then it goes away.

WIse: 14:00

So I'm working out and I'm doing all of this stuff, and you know me, bro, I was, I was, I work, I'm a workout, I'm a workaholic when it comes to working out. But that still didn't stop over the fact of the heart attacks coming, because it happened over a period of time and it kept happening. It kept happening until it, until it, finally, I was cleaning my. I was cleaning out the cell one day and I reached under the bed to grab the last shoe in the heart attack hit me and that's what dropped me right there. And what's even crazier is I had felt the pressure in my chest, though, honestly speaking, the day before there was a small minor press in my chest. I felt like a weight was on my chest, and I went there, got an EKG and guess what? It came back positive. So the EKGs. I'm not going to tell you what's going on until your heart is actually in the attack mode.

Remie: 14:49

I see that's. That's the one part about preventative care in prison. I had went in there one day, you know, I sent the kite to medical and I asked them for a physical and they told me no, because I wasn't over 30. I was like, well, what type of shit is that? And you know, it's plenty of times where you could say like, hey, man, I've been feeling some chest pain and you go to medical and they will not do a single thing. They'd be like, do you feel it right now? No, all right, well, just go back to the dorm and watch it, keep an eye on it. You know, like a lot of the experiences you have, one minute remaining.

WIse: 15:33

Pardon me, I got to call you right back.

Remie: 15:35

No, that's cool, it's cool.

WIse: 15:37

Okay, I'll call you right back. I'll be right back.

Remie: 15:39

All right, bro. So we go. We go sit and wait for him to call back. He should be quick. It's one of the hassles of uh, you know, recording uh with these guys that are still incarcerated, man, but I love having them on the show because it gives like 100 real, real time experience. You know, it's not like something I got to recall, like these guys are still in there and these are the struggles that are going on, and so for me, I feel like that is it can't be beat, you know, yo.

WIse: 16:15

Yo.

Remie: 16:16

Yeah, man, sorry about that.

WIse: 16:19

Yep, sorry about that. Sorry about that.

Remie: 16:21

But um, so yeah, what I was saying, man, what I was saying was uh, it's hard to get in there for preventative care, because if you say, hey, man, I'm having this feeling, and it's not something that you can show them at the moment, they're going to just dismiss you. They're going to be like all right, well, if it feels like heartburn, get some antacids off of commissary, then they're going to charge you a little bullshit as $2 copay.

WIse: 16:49

So let me, so, let me tell, so let me tell the family out there how serious this, this, this, uh, this thing really is and how on, how we are truly mistreated as individuals, as human beings, in the penitentiary, because a lot of people out there they really don't know what's going on out there with us. So let me say this when my, when my minor heart attacks first began right, they started off because my enzymes were at an all time high. Right, I had blockage. I had 55% blockage. They made me walk around prison for a whole month until my blockage went from 55% to 74% before they decided to take me in and do something about it. Ain't that crazy.

Remie: 17:38

Wow, that's one of the questions I was going to ask. You was like, how serious did they take it at first?

WIse: 17:42

Because, you know, in a situation like this, you know time is at essence and they have me walking right, they have me walking around for 30 days until the blockage got worse, instead of dealing with the situation right there Now.

WIse: 17:58

Blockage is like, so say, for instance, if you got a spaghetti noodle, spaghetti noodle, and, and, and, and and like, uh, you know, um, and that's that's your artery. Arteries are extremely small, but at the same time, it's like if you take two spaghetti noodles and you put them close together, as close as you can possibly get them. You know that's what a blockage, that's what a blockage looks like for real with within the arteries. You know what I'm saying. And then they core space, or, and then on the opposite, on on flip side to that, you know, when they put a stem in, it's like putting a spaghetti noodle in a straw or straw in a spaghetti noodle, to blow it up so that, so that the blood cells can can go through there properly. But it's correct you, how, they, how we mistreated like that. As far as I had to wait that longer, I'm gonna die.

Remie: 18:44

Yeah, that's fucking crazy. So when they did finally like give you some treatment, was it like on a side, or did they get you to outside medical?

WIse: 18:56

No, actually I had a massive heart attack that got me to outside medical. That's what got me to treatment. Oh, okay, so Right. So I had an all-out heart attack. I had a massive heart attack in which they had to rush me to the hospital, you know, and actually, like I said, like Grace had done, man, that I'm here because, like I literally went all the way out, I called, I used to call blue, whatever, however they that doctors talk, I'm really not familiar with that, maybe when it comes to that, but you know, they had to bring me back, they had to hit me, they had to hit me with the defibrillators to bring me back, you know, and then, once I got back, and then they did what they did as far as, like, hit me, would open me up in my artery, putting a spin in and doing the, you know, the surgical work to you know, in order for me to be okay again. You know, but it's crazy that it had to go that far.

WIse: 19:48

They could have did all of this in the beginning. They just eliminated all of the extra stuff. You know, because I had to call my wife every morning and, like clockwork, every morning I would have these minor heart attacks, like, literally, when my enzymes would get so high it would just knock me off my feet. That's a scary, scary feeling, fellas and women. So I mean, my advice to you is to like please, please, you have, you have, you have the mercy of the medical at your feet out there, and even, and even a lot of us still don't have that out there. But go get it checked out, please, yeah.

Remie: 20:24

I'm. I just set a schedule man, set an appointment up to go get a physical. Luckily, man, I got a job that really promotes that preventative care type stuff. So they they told me, like they give me a couple hundred dollars for going to get a physical every year. I was like, all right, hell yeah. But I mean you're right, though that's something that we don't really put too much importance on until it's a problem, you know. But like treat it like a car, like go get your oils changed, go break pass, checked out, your tires rotated, like you got to take care of yourself people.

WIse: 21:01

You have to. You have to. It's mandatory exercise. Reading a lot helps to mental, you know. I just found out. What's crazy is that yesterday I was watching the world news and I just found out that scientists have have have figured out that most of us sit down throughout the course of the day, right At our jobs, right. So I just found out that, like, sitting down between 10 to 12 hours a day helps the increase by 70% of of of of getting dementia just from sitting down. Ain't that crazy?

Remie: 21:39

I know that I definitely said for my job probably out of the, out of the 12 hours I work, I'll probably sit down for maybe nine of those hours.

WIse: 21:52

Right. That's why they, they, they encourage us to get up and go get our lunches instead of having it brought to us. If we can take walks on your lunch break, if you can, or just do little things when you're not sitting down for 10 to 12 hours a day, because it definitely increases the chances of catching dementia, of getting dementia when we sit down that long. Not laying down, though, sitting down, which doesn't really make sense to me because it's still all being you, just stagnant, so I don't understand that. But okay, so I mean, since you're part of the diets, I mean it's vegetables.

WIse: 22:25

You know plenty of fruits, whole fruits, when they in season, drink plenty of water. You know a lot of whole grains, if you can, a lot of proteins, and you know things that and all of the right fact, fatty foods to eat. You know what I'm saying, because these are the things, the essential things, that we need in our diets to help, you know, to help us feel our tanks, for us to continue going on each day. You know, but when we eat all of the bad stuff, and you know, and, and, and I apologize for those of us who can't afford you know those necessities of being able to eat good like that every day, because we know that we're not all fortunate like that. But if you're fortunate, then please, I really, I really, really strongly urge you to really take care of yourself. Really do that. It's serious.

Remie: 23:15

So and I have mentioned this before in one of the previous episodes too like the, the biggest health scares that I've seen in there was always from the fittest people that I knew. You know right, it wasn't. You know like I done seen some dudes that's 400 pounds in there and they live in like you know tomorrow would never come. They like shit, it's cool, but like, uh right, you know, row when row had to go to outside medical. Yeah yeah, ro was like you know you could have cut him out of a bodybuilding magazine. Like dude was a wooden dummy.

Remie: 23:53

I mean, he was the epitome of health man. So when that happened it was like shit, what the fuck you know?

WIse: 24:00

wake up call. We're talking about a man that worked out every day, two or three times a day, played every sport basketball, softball, football, basketball, everything and anything that held to do with physical, with the physical. He did it and just like that, boom, he had four stage cancer I think. I believe it was pancreatic, pancreatic pancreatic cancer and the sad part about it is we do blood work. Then when we do blood work they don't tell us what our blood work actually is right. So actually they knew that when he was stage two that he had cancer, but they never told him until it was too late, because they don't want to pay the extra expenses that it costs to get us to the hospitals that and get the issue taken care of in due time, because they don't want to spend the money on us. They don't say that we're that important enough to spend their money on like that, and that's the honest of God's truth.

Remie: 24:57

That is.

WIse: 24:58

And that's not the first person that they've done like that either. I could think of Greek and chicken man. They did him the same way, yeah.

Remie: 25:06

Yeah they did it, they did it, they did a few people like that and like, and Ro didn't eat all of the stuff that we just described. Like he, if you think about a prison diet he really had like a pretty laid back diet man, a couple packs of ramen noodles every nine in, but he ain't really go all out on the breaks and stuff Every nine in. You know football season you throw in with some other people or something, but he ain't go crazy, right. And um, right right. I remember, um, my girl that I was with back then, man, uh, she was a nurse. I mean she is a nurse and I remember her talking about how, you know, how girls do they be like? Oh man, you know, I know this girl and her husband or her boyfriend, you know, is this.

Remie: 25:47

Y'all would get along great, you know she was telling me one of her friends was the dude that was in charge of medical treatment for a prisons, like determining basically what is worth treating, you know. And she was like oh, y'all get along great. And I was like man, fuck that nigga. Like on the phone right there to her face. I was like fuck dude, she couldn't understand why. I was like dude, you know how fucking hard it is to get some medical treatment in here. Fuck dude, right, right. And she, like was like damn, for real, like dude, if I got a fucking migraine I ain't even going to go to medical. You know it was. I broke my thumb, didn't go to medical. Fuck why. Why would I go down there? You know, right, and I see so much people like that do that. And here we are trying to call people to go and get checkups, but they know that they ain't going to get no medical attention when they go down there.

WIse: 26:47

Right, and it's not a myth that every time we go down there they're going to give you one or two things, probably in all of Ivy pro for them to tell you to call it a day.

Remie: 26:56

They're going to give you some Ivy pro for it and they're going to tell you to buy anything else you need off of Commiser.

WIse: 27:02

Right Now, if you really want to and for the followers out there. I truly appreciate your ears for listening and if you really want to hear straight from the horse's mouth. One of my brothers just got out, the Wayne Brooks you know. He just did the 35 years and he on a wrongful conviction and he just got out. He will be doing a rally downtown on Monday, monday morning in front of the Justice Center at 10 o'clock. If you want to be down there and you can talk to him one on one, he will really give it to you in the role.

Remie: 27:29

Monday morning. What date?

WIse: 27:33

Tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock in front of the Justice Center. They're doing a rally down there for wrongfully convicted inmates.

Remie: 27:41

All right what I said in Cleveland.

WIse: 27:44

Yeah, in Cleveland, cleveland, ohio. Yeah, downtown, in front of the Justice Center. Yeah, I don't have any pros to put on social media stuff.

Remie: 27:54

We get that out there.

WIse: 27:56

Yeah, support that if you can for the people that's listening to. Support that, pass it on. That's just real. There's so many brothers in here that don't deserve to be in here. There's so many brothers in here you know that just never really. They never did the crime period.

Remie: 28:12

And it's a fact, even if whether you did the crime or not, man, because it's actually a point in my prison career where I'd stopped asking people about the case, like I stopped asking about what they did, if they did it or not, because I felt like it's not fair for me to judge somebody's crime and say that my crime was better than theirs, yours was worse than mine or anything you know.

WIse: 28:35

At the end of the day, god's eyes, all crimes is bad baby.

Remie: 28:38

Yeah, like I said, whether they did it or not, no matter what crime it was, like we're talking about basic rights and human needs. You know we're talking about not being able to get a physical to keep yourself healthy, not being able to know what your test results are to keep yourself healthy, right? You know? Right, not being able to go down there and be like, hey man, look. Cause I could tell you a plenty of like specific circumstances where you could just look at a person like yo, they need to get to the hospital and they didn't take them. Exactly Like my dude broke his wrist on a basketball court. They didn't do nothing about it for two weeks. It had already started healing. They had to go back and re-break it.

WIse: 29:27

You know and I agree with you, you have one minute remaining and I agree with you 110% on that. They do not. They do not take care of us like they supposed to, and it's really really bad. It's really bad.

Remie: 29:40

Man, I get it. Man, A lot of people want to abuse the medical system. You know you want to go down there and get your free pills, get whatever you can get. But if untrained eye can look at that and be like, hey, that should look fucked up, you probably need some help for that.

WIse: 29:55

Like why are?

Remie: 29:55

we waiting. You know, if you having a heart attack and they know you got an issue, why are we waiting on this Like what? We need somebody to sign off on it. What's the problem? Because if it needs done, then it needs done.

WIse: 30:12

So Indeed brother. Indeed, man, thank you so much for having me on your show, man. It really been a lot to me and to the listeners out there. Thank you for listening and please take this advice very seriously, because we need our health, man, we need to live, we need to live for real, live, live, live. So, with that said man, I love y'all and peace, y'all take care of y'all, take care of y'all stuff out there and I'll be back tomorrow. Hi, bro, thank you for using GT.

DJ: 30:42

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