Wise's World: The Power of Healing Through Poetry

Join us this week on Lockdown the Legacy for an interesting conversation with Brother Wise, co-founder of the Poetic Companions group. We tackle the profound power of poetry, the unspoken beauty of womanhood, and the courage to stand against domestic violence. Brother Wise shares his compelling poem "Tell Me," a poignant reminder of the importance of love and respect for those who are our biggest supporters. It's time to rethink the power of words and the significance of standing up for what's right. 

As we delve further into the realm of our past experiences, we discuss the transformative power of forgiveness and understanding in our healing journey. Are you perpetuating a cycle of hurt without even realizing it? We explore how we can break this cycle and remind ourselves of our inherent greatness. We also delve into the importance of forgiveness and understanding on our path to healing. So tune in, because this episode is not just about words, it's about the power within them.

Transcript

Remie: 0:19

Welcome to Lockdown the Legacy stories from the inside out. I'm your host, remy Jones.

DJ: 0:25

And I'm co-host Debbie Jones. We are a husband and wife team here to bring you the real life stories, experiences and questions around the American criminal justice system. We do advise discretion with this podcast. I think we should put that out there first and foremost. We are going to talk about experiences that happen inside the prison system, outside of prison systems. We will use language that might be offensive, but we intend to keep it real, and if that's not for you, we totally understand, but please do what's best for your listening ears.

Remie: 0:56

Oh, we're about to keep it real, son. Our goal of this podcast is to share the inside realities of the American prison and criminal justice system, from pre-charges all the way to post-release, from the voices of those who've experienced it firsthand, including me.

DJ: 1:12

That's right, we're going to get into it.

Remie: 1:30

Hey everybody, Welcome back to another episode of Lockdown the Legacy. Of course I'm your host, Remy Jones, and this week I got another treat for you guys. You know, last week I had Brother Wise on and we talked about his experience going through the healthcare system within the prison system and you know the pitfalls of that. So this week I kind of wanted to shift gears, switch it up and let him express some of his creativity. You know we hinted to it in previous episodes, If you guys recall the Mighty Rock episode, where we mentioned Brother Wise being one of the co-founders of the Poetic Companions group within the walls. So I kind of wanted to give him a chance to showcase his artistry. So here he is, Mr Wise, kicking off. He's going to spit a couple of rhymes and, heck, I might even two. So here you go, Hello.

Wise: 2:32

This is a prepaid debit call from.

Speaker 4: 2:35

Okay.

Wise: 2:38

An inmate at the Trumbull Correctional Institution To accept this call. Press zero To refuse this call. Hang up or press one To prevent calls from this facility. This call is from a DRC correctional facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. Utilization of an unapproved application and three-way calls to communicate are strictly prohibited and a violation of DRC policy. Thank you for using GTL. Hello, what's up bro?

Remie: 3:07

Yo Peace Black man, how are you?

Speaker 4: 3:11

I'm coolin', man, I'm coolin'.

Remie: 3:13

I'm excited, though man, you said you was about to spit some poetry, so I can't wait to get to that portion. Well, this bar is that For real.

Speaker 4: 3:25

You got me know when you ready, man, you know what. I'm saying we can get to that whenever you ready.

Remie: 3:33

We can let it grow there, get there organically. I was just saying this would be the first time for real that I heard you spit some since like 2015,. Man, because after that I ended up riding out to the camp, so I ain't hear none of the other stuff that you're having going on there.

Speaker 4: 3:55

Yeah, yeah, so okay. So we can open it up and close it with one, if you want to.

Remie: 4:03

Oh bet All right.

Speaker 4: 4:06

We want to do that.

Remie: 4:07

Yeah, but I'm gonna spit one too, because I found one. Huh, I found one of mine. I actually found the first one that I did, so after you go, I got it at some point. I gotta spit this, cuz I told rock I was gonna find one and I was like yo, I gotta do it. Okay, okay then you go ahead. Man, you know, you, the guru, I'm gonna let you go ahead, do your thing.

Speaker 4: 4:36

No, no, no, man, we all goos in this game here, man, it's just, it's just expression. You hear me? Okay, so this pizza I'm about to spit is called tell me, and it's pretty much based upon domestic violence and how we as men you know I'm saying like we how we treat our women you know I'm saying high and I'm power how we come to find it it's very disrespectful how we treat the very individuals who you know, hold us down in life and like they like to find a meaning, they like the best part of us. You know I'm saying, and we tend to do really bad things, say bad things, put them down All the time or whatever. And I know sisters in those blood, those queens, is tired of that. You know I'm saying so. I wrote something on that they have, and it's called Tell me, you ready, I'm ready.

Speaker 4: 5:18

Tell me what justifies the means of a broken heart or a busted lip for the sake of talking too much of the same exact bullshit that you Weren't equipped or man enough to deal with me. I've searched high and low, from near and far over the horizon, finding myself wiping my eyes from constantly crying because inside my heart is dying desperately, trying to emotionally identify with my beautiful queens. Who has the power to stop the physical abuse, but too afraid to walk away, to get captured and charged with another black eye or the possibilities of getting help far too late. Now, loved ones and individuals like me are mourning at your wake as I sit, stepping into no particular place with an unquestionable sadness Painted across my one's heart and face because another one of my sisters didn't make it. Why is it always the good ones that have to die and Few? Good men with hearts like mine, left withering in the wind, with rain watching a midway? We could have been mine, never to own but to cherish love, holding properly shown the difference between a boy and a man.

Speaker 4: 6:19

So tell me how we went from a matriarch to a patriotic system, disrespecting the very same wisdom who spoke wise words in our own defense to entice the intellectual ignorance of conquering boys pretending to be men, beat within an inch of our lives in, spiritually broken with soaking eyes, forced to watch our beautiful mother, sisters and wives being despised in unimaginable ways. And now we've taken the rose of masses of pimps, treating our sages and backbones like the very same property in slaves. You're what the fuck is wrong with men. Today we're supposed to be the heroes protecting them, but instead we call queens, out their names, kick puncher, slap out with beloved and precious women into an early grave, but no more should they perish, but in place, be cherished and held on to the same as they hold on to us today, within Undying love that says I love you, I love you, I love you, black man, but I am not your slave. And I said a little something less, a little warmer for you.

Remie: 7:20

Yeah, man, I know, warm up, that's fire Do I'm gonna tuck mine away. I'm gonna do mine another time.

Speaker 4: 7:29

I gotta respect our women, man, for real, like you know. You know it's like we always miss treating and dog and it's like. It's like man, if we don't have, then we don't have nothing. Life is nothing without black woman or woman period period. You know. Yeah we have to continue to procreate man, and we can't procreate if we keep killing them.

Remie: 7:51

You know what, though? I always said, though, like throughout history, you know history as a whole, not just one. You know genre of history, whether it be blacks, whites. You know whatever European, african, anything. Throughout history in general, we've kind of done woman wrong man stories, I mean think of like I used to always say that on a higher level, I mean, if you just look at nature, if you were to Define God just by looking at nature, woman will be God, you know.

Remie: 8:26

But you know most definitely you know, whatever we get off into into the weeds. If I get to talking like that, but though that was dope man I appreciate it and that was a definitely a big message.

Speaker 4: 8:42

I mean, oh yeah, yeah, no question, no question man. No question, man, because you know, like poetry is, poetry is like a part of me, man, like spoken word is a part of me. You know that's why we came up with the group, or what it contains, and we all got the band of brothers, you know 2018, and got together and started, you know, just expressing ourselves. You know it's like when you on the inside, looking out, you know, really, you just wish so bad that you could be there. You know. So, inside these four walls, you know, inside the behind lock, behind this door and looking out a window, and all you got is imagination.

Speaker 4: 9:16

And you got to live in your head, literally, to be free, because that's the only thing that can trap the body, but they can never trap the mind, and we are, and we, as incarcerated men, we have to learn to live in our heads. You feel what I'm saying. So spoken word is my release and it allows me to, like, we punish myself day after day as I continue to continue, you know, keep writing, or whatever. You know. Plus, it's a healing process to. It's a healing process, it's a healer man, it's medication. You feel me for the soul.

Remie: 9:42

Hey, now Did you start writing poetry in there?

Speaker 4: 9:47

No, actually I started writing poetry when I was a kid but didn't know what I was doing. So, you know, growing up, you know, as a lot of us can relate to dysfunctional families, you know Broken homes or whatever getting bounced around moving from here to here on a short note or whatever. And then I asked my mom's one time because you know I'm originally from New York, brooklyn, new York, shout out to Brooklyn, new York. You know I'm saying, and then I'm down here, cleveland, bouncing back and forth, back and forth. And I asked my dudes one day like yo mom, like I'm angry at the world, and she was like Well, just write about it, I don't want to hear it, like damn. Okay. So I started writing. Then you know what I'm saying, I just you know. And I just never stopped. Man, I had a passion for it then. But once I got incarcerated and locked behind these doors, that that kind of ignited, that kind of ignited me to just continue to write more and get deeper into my writing.

Remie: 10:42

Okay, I wrote a little poetry when I was younger. My dad was a great poet man, so shout out to Mike Jones man, aka comfort Jones. Yeah, but uh, I Used to write poetry man, and it was mainly, like you know, writing little poems, the girls in high school and stuff man. Then I just gave it up. So when I got, oh yeah, for sure, instead of sending a little a, do you like me with the checkbox, like I was putting, like certified game?

DJ: 11:16

down on the paper and shooting it over there.

Remie: 11:19

They was like oh my god for an eighth grader, here's some nose.

Remie: 11:25

But uh, I end up putting it down, man, cuz you know I end up. You know the streets Poetry Wasn't like no real nigga shit. You know how I go where artists talk of real nigga shit. Why really you playing yourself by not being authentic. You know hiding certain parts because you think somebody else think I'm gonna prove for it. But once I got to the joint, man, I was probably like it's 2012, right here, say right here. So I was, um, um, four years in already in the joint and I wrote this poem called patiently waiting. Now I Think about it, or nothing. I can remember today, like it was yesterday. I was sitting on a rack, I Was watching a movie it wasn't even no movie, made you think it was an action movie and All of a sudden I had all this stuff on my mind and I just turned the movie off and grabbed a notepad and I just wrote it down like one take. You know, boom, just start to finish. I wrote it and I just threw it on the bed and went.

Remie: 12:27

The wreck, you know, but I would like stay up late no drawing, cuz back then I was really focusing on drawing and I was shooting tattoos and stuff in there to make money. So I Was doing. I was up late and I just started writing poems, man like, and one of my even wrote in my sleep. I woke up, grabbed some paper and started scribbling in the dark and then went back to sleep and I woke up already like damn this, some fire.

Speaker 4: 12:59

That's when the best pieces come to us, man, like when we sleep or whatever, and like it, just like internally, just it just comes to us in like a dream, like, and then you just wake up, because I've done that plenty of times. I woke up and just started writing. You feel me like it's incredible with the mind, does man? I worked in everything or whatever, but it's just your spirit releasing on how it truly feels.

Remie: 13:19

Yeah, I mean it's crazy, like I wanted to talk to you and I wanted to talk to Warren cuz uh, the guys I've been talking to that was in there and grafting with me a lot of them talk about how they wrote. Like Savage wrote a book, warren wrote a book, you know you. And rock on the poetry stuff. You know I wrote some poetry or some songs. You know I'm like damn, like writing really be getting dudes through, you know. So I wanted to talk about that. Like you know, warren was teaching writing classes in there. Like it's crazy.

Remie: 13:53

Yes, he was but uh, so so this the first one I wrote man this the first one I wrote in there is called patiently waiting. It's real short, but you know I'm gonna hit it real quick. Excuse me, I'm rusty. It ain't gonna compare to what you just put down.

Speaker 4: 14:09

Hey, man, it's poetry, man it's poetry, bro, it's poetry spit.

Remie: 14:15

So it's a uh. I Try to write from my heart, but it is empty. My voice box lets out hypnotic melodies that tame and sooth nothing. I'm better at causing chaos because I've never known peace. Where is my day of rejoice? My spiritual journey cut short by numbness? No longer Can I feel the burn of the wild flame and no longer do I Witness the passion of youth and self. The incessant malice from those I love maim my soul, leaving nothing more than this hollow frame.

Remie: 14:48

Consider any love per diem, because an everlasting love is the hardest of myths. To prove true, any love is conditional. I've been put on this earth for one reason, and that is to endure. So I accept my pain as progress and I push on, because those who know not true pain know not true pleasure. So tell me, is this life a blessing in disguise? Dante said that there was no worse of time in a man's life than to recall, in misery, a time when he was happy. So I asked is the reciprocal true? Also, is there no better time than to recall and bliss a time of misery? If so, I patiently wait for my day. I was like. That's why you.

Speaker 4: 15:33

That's why you what? Snap, snap, snap man, oh snap, you know, that's why you trippy told my some is short and all that. That's, that's like, that's average, that's the average size, like a piece, that's a wonderful piece right there, man, and it's folks you know genuinely from the heart, on how you felt about it.

Remie: 15:53

I was fine, thank you Thank you.

Speaker 4: 15:54

Thank you, that would be a matter by you.

Remie: 15:56

You know, dude, I have wrote these in this notebook that I had. I had this composition notebook and I would just write all types of stuff here. It just got lost in the shuffle. Man, I had wrote, you know recipes, little fantasy, cars that I had built in my mind, you know Different stuff. I wanted to buy websites, I wanted to visit video games, I want to play movies on the watch like it's all in this book but it's like no rhyme or reason or organization to it. So I actually read this book. When I got home and came across it was like, oh snap, you know, and it's others, you know some other ones in there. It's one I can't find, though I actually been looking for, and it's called the the philosopher, because when I took IOP, the teacher always you have one minute remaining.

Remie: 16:48

But I can't find it. Well, she used to always call me the philosopher, because I would like ask all these different questions and shit. I wouldn't just accept it for what it was. So I end up writing the form called the philosophy. But yeah, that's, that's dope man, I just I Hope that.

Speaker 4: 17:11

But that was dope.

Remie: 17:13

Yeah, I hope that the guys in there like Really take to writing, you know, because it is something that really helped you get through man.

Speaker 4: 17:24

Well, you know me, I'm always spreading the love and I'm always sitting around talking about this. So I got a couple. I got a couple in the wagon already. I got a couple in the car with me right now. I got about several of them, young ones too. Yeah, that's what's up. You gotta get the babies, man. Why they? You know I'm saying to give them. You know we're on a white track, gotta get a white track. I'm gonna hit you right back.

Remie: 17:43

You didn't all right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 17:45

So let me say this one, let me say this real quick, let me say this real quick. So you know how, throughout the course of life, man, you know um, a Lot of times growing up, things were said to us that really hurt us to the core. And then, as we get older, instead of learning how to deal with the situation because we didn't know how to learn with that type of situation we just, you know um, when a window went about our ways throughout the course of life, and we just continue to, you know um, do what was done to us, if you will and like so I say that to say that hurt people hurt people. So I Read this quote by the great Maya Angel one time, and she said I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel. And that's the truth, because people, they can figure a lot of things, but they can't forget how you made them feel inside.

Speaker 4: 18:39

And this is why I so deep and I'm so into, you know, trying to heal my Queens with, with, with kind words and in the wisdom you know I'm saying, to get them to over stand that, the ignorance of our men today. You know, sometimes you have to give us a chance, because we don't know no better for real, because we were brought up a certain kind of way and it's sometimes it's hard to break that cycle of a man who was mistreated and misguided into thinking, into believing that he was Something else, other than he is, and that's the best, nothing less than or nothing more than this a great man, until he allows himself to excel, to become greater. So I'm just saying to all my queens out there you know, forgive your man if he's acting crazy, he'll get around to it, but you've got to help him along the way. And that's goes to the same for the black women also, because we, we're all in this struggle together. You feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 4: 19:28

I just wanted, I just wanted to add that. So I got this other piece I want to share with you, man. It was real deep to me. It's called the essence of a woman, you know, and pretty much is the beginning of women. Can I speak?

Remie: 19:44

Oh, go here, feel free.

Speaker 4: 19:48

Okay. So this is called the essence of a woman. The ultimate nature of her beauty captivates my mental within, a resistible appeal that is heaven sent and spiritually meant for us to covenant. Equally compatible, we become one with the same thoughts, ideas, dreams, goals, aspirations, and equally satisfied with each other's complete emotional nakedness. I raised my black fist to assist me in this black love manifest with the hug and Send the kiss upon the forehead of my new found misses that's been missing.

Speaker 4: 20:21

The existence of her new found mister, without Black eyes or busted lips that used to be the introduction, after a few hellos and a couple of convinced kisses Upon her sweet lips, whose spirit is no longer broken but instead now uplifted and the company of a real king's existence Beat up, broken, battered in, bruised, as old news as I was Persisting with the vision through my intellectual third eye, within her permission to be humbly introduced to my heart's women.

Speaker 4: 20:46

It's an unconditional love, poetry, love songs like melodies that last so long, like saying the black woman is not an equal is so long Black love, the essence of a woman, in a love that summons inspirations through many trials and tribulations in Generations after generations of intellectual positive affirmations handed down from the matriarch's placing position Before the patriarch's lies and demolition tactics that left behind Humiliation and no consideration to the face of our nation's original face, that struggles to conciliate black men with the attempt to replace the Ignorance and hate with love, peace, happiness and nothing less. Then greatness set upon this beautiful black love in the essence of a woman. Please, thank you for listening.

Remie: 21:38

Hey, I would clap but it ain't gonna record. Well, I gotta give me one of them machines to do that. Man For real, yo, that's dope.

Speaker 4: 21:58

Say that that's dope.

Speaker 4: 22:02

Hey, man, like, yeah, man, like you know, like, you know, I got that poetry comes in all many shapes. You know shapes and forms, man, it doesn't only come in words, it comes in songs. You know it is if you listen to authentic poetry, I mean, if you listen to poetry period, like so many people, the rappers, the hip hop artists, the singers, the spoken word artists and, of course, the poetics, the poets. The poets, you know Poetry comes through music violins, guitars, drums. You know trumpet, saxophones, which is one of my favorite instruments. Instruments, you know, it's just, it's just hearing how. You know nature itself is poetic. If you truly listen to nature itself, it's poetic, it's just poetic all around you and, and I think poetry is beautiful, man, it's just part of life, it's just a way of life for real, yeah.

Remie: 22:55

I mean, that goes back to what I was saying about, like Perception, you know, thinking that the people around you ain't gonna prove of it, so you kind of like close your eyes to seeing that, you know.

Speaker 4: 23:10

Indeed, indeed Indeed, like, so, like I said, there's so many people out there and I want to, and I want to and I want to address this to the young audience if they're listening, you know, for whatever you might be going through at this particular point in time when it seems like, you know, there's just a dark cloud hovering and you don't have anybody else to talk to in the whole world, you know, pick up a pen, pick up a piece of paper, you know, and just write down. You know, write your thoughts down on paper, express your emotions, your feelings. You know, get into your spiritual volume, just release and let go, and you will be amazed on how good you will feel After the fact when you read it back to yourself. It's amazing. It's an amazing process.

Remie: 23:58

Yeah, and you ain't got to be stuck on. You know the whole rhyming factory there. You know Like all poetry got no most definitely see.

Speaker 4: 24:08

Yeah, see a lot of us. You write, you write big bro, because a lot of us get Getting missed. His rule, like they poachy has to run. No, it does not have to run, it does not. You have many forms of, you know, poetry, you have creative writing, poetry, spoken word Stand up, you know, you know all of that stuff. Like you know, it doesn't necessarily have to run. It doesn't have to run to make sense. You're right. You're absolutely right. I'm glad you brought that up. Good job, good point.

Remie: 24:35

So I think I'm gonna start writing some poetry again. Man, I just recently started a journal in because, you know it, I don't really got time to be going to know therapists but I do believe in, like, the power of therapy, man, and having somebody to talk to. So I just started writing stuff down again and that's really how I was doing.

Remie: 24:58

Poetry is just, you know, just throw it in the book every now and then It'll get lost in with everything else. But for sure I want to start doing that, cuz it's, you know, right after you put down something like, especially in a moment of like Intense emotion, you put something down with the pen and, and you know, I told you, when I broke this first one right here, I just read, like, I wrote it and literally just threw it on the bed and went to rec. I didn't even read it back, you know, but when I came back to it it was a couple days later I was like damn, like I started filling all this emotion that I need to feel when I wrote it. I was just like damn, this All right, you know, and I even started questioning some of the stuff that I wrote because I ain't thinking about as I wrote it, I just wrote it.

Remie: 25:45

I started questioning like damn, like what's really hurting me, man, you know.

Speaker 4: 25:53

Right, oh, so one of my, one of my favorite poets, a little time. It's one of my sisters. Her name she goes about a name of a concrete rose, you know, and she's out of, she's from Akron, she's out of Akron, if anyone's ever heard of her, and she's just so unique and so Raw and forthcoming with her, whatever spoken word, man, it's like. It's just so beautifully written in the way that she, you know, manifest, it's just, it's just so wrong. She's just so wrong, man. I love my sister, so shout out the concrete rose. If you out there, if you listen to that, shout out the concrete rose, man.

Remie: 26:33

I'm gonna try to find her on social media and shoot her at link man so she can get that shout out.

Speaker 4: 26:38

Yeah, so definitely, man, I appreciate that concrete rose man, she, she definitely out there. She's definitely out there, man, good, great system, man, great system. And I mean like she's to come down a grafting with us, you know, and, uh, you know she's to drive all that way, you know, and for nothing, man, just to just to be with her brothers man, a poet, poetic brothers man, just and just share and spit with us. Man, on my certain nights, you know we would have old events and stuff you buy, used to go, and you know we had a wonderful time, man.

Speaker 4: 27:12

And over the over the course of time, man, you know, me and sis we got real close, we got tight man, but then, like, we got separated, because you know, everyone in life goes through their trials and tribulations at times, and then, you know, separation of comes, you know. So we got separated in the midst of all that norm send. But I'm hoping to, um, you know, catch back up with her. You know, hopefully someday soon, feel me. But shout out to concrete rose man, cuz she's a big inspiration to me as a beautiful black woman.

Remie: 27:40

Yes, yes. So in there, you know you said you got a couple of guys man that, um, that's, you know, Keeping that movement alive, that poetry movement. Man, y'all doing anything official, because you know it's a lot of people that y'all could probably reach if only it was on the stage. You know, I Told you I was walking by to a basketball game. Yo caught my eyes so you never know who you gonna touch just by getting up there.

Speaker 4: 28:09

Yeah, you know, and that's that's the funny that you say that, because me and a couple of dudes that I knew from Different areas you know different places or whatever along the way, you know we're spitting one time or whatever, and then dudes just started, you know, coming around like yo, that was dope, like, say that again, like what you just said, what this mean, what that mean, like, and then you know you just ought to breaking it down to them. And then, next thing, you know it's like they want to sign up and they just want to be a part of what you're doing. So, yeah, so, but the thing about T, the thing about this institution that I'm in right now currently resounding in trouble, trouble, you know, correctional is the fact that it's not, it's not. They're not so eager to allow us to open up doors to pro for programming and stuff like that. You know to have the, you know to do the things that we could do, that we was doing down a graph and the things of that nature.

Speaker 4: 28:58

You know I'm saying that's like they too afraid because it's so wild and off the hook. So I just take, I just, I, just I just roll with some, some young brothers. You know I'm saying what, what feel that I can't put my hands on the touch, with the words that I can't touch. You know, and we, we get together in cycles from time to time and we do what we do. You feel what I'm saying, but in hopes, and in the future, I do hope to To do that till I start another, a whole another chapter of the poet of companions. Though shout out to the poet of companions, by the way, I'll start a whole another chapter you know a whole mighty rock listeners, so Quick sidebars For all the people listening.

Remie: 29:37

Mighty rock had an episode. You know it was actually one of our best episodes. Man, a lot of people listen to it and he ended up giving you a shout out, actually Mentioned a poetic companions and how y'all started out. Unfortunately he did not spit something on there. I hope he come back and do that. But, um, this, this, here I came, mr Wise is the other half of that, a poetic companions you know originated. So I mean, as you all see, he's a man, he's the man when it comes in the words man.

Speaker 4: 30:14

Oh, you ain't heard mighty rock then?

Remie: 30:16

I mean I heard him, I heard him.

Speaker 4: 30:19

You ain't heard the mighty one speak mad, because I'm gonna tell you that, like you, y'all live for a treat. When you hear mighty rocks fit, y'all live for a treat. Or any of my poetic brothers. When you hear him spit, oh, y'all live for a treat.

Speaker 4: 30:33

Because we come from all different aspects. We come from because you know people. We all see things differently in the eyes of our own, our own understanding. So we all feel different things, we see different things and we stick different things to the, to the, to the audience, you know, to express on how we truly feel in the inside and how we see the world. You feel what I'm saying. So it's fire man. All the brothers are fire man. Mighty rock, mighty rock got some fire. He got some heat for you. As a matter of fact, you know, shout out the mighty rock if y'all ever see an invitation or any type of flyer up. You know, because he does shows all the time around Cleveland. So look for him, y'all look for him, because I'm telling you, go to one of his shows. You'll never be the same. Yeah, every time he, every time he talks something about a show coming up.

Remie: 31:18

I try to share it on my page too, just to get it out there. Get people married, man, because I can't go, unfortunately. You know Two, almost three hours away from Cleveland, so I can't really just drop it and go. That's six hours of driving. But I definitely support that though.

Speaker 4: 31:41

Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, I just want to say, man, I thank you again for another. Allow me another session with you, man, hopefully we can do this again. You know we can get on any topic you want to get on and we can build, man, you know, add on it positive and destroy all negativity for real, because that's what I'm on, that's what all of me and my brothers is on. You feel me. So I appreciate you for having me once again. I love you, brother. Yo, yeah, you, my dog man, stay up and stay out the way and keep doing what you're doing. The grinding man.

Remie: 32:10

Well, thank you, man. Thank you for coming to, bro. You are definitely did your thing, man. I appreciate it for real.

Speaker 4: 32:18

No, I just want to say please throw all my listeners and thank y'all for listening.

Wise: 32:23

Thank you for using gtl.

DJ: 32:32

The lockdown to legacy podcast is proud to be a part of the bus sprout podcast community network. Lockdown to legacy is recorded at co-hatch in their lovely audio file room. Thanks for your scholarship. Audio engineering is done by our very own remy jones. You can reach us with any feedback, questions, comments or share the love by emailing stories at lockdown, the number two Legacy comm. Stories at lockdown to legacy comm. You can reach out there too for a free sticker, and you can find us on Instagram and Twitter with the handle at lockdown to legacy and on Facebook at the lockdown to legacy podcast. Thanks for listening, oh,